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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 07 Sep 15 7.08pm
Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria. I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 07 Sep 15 7.08pm

Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria.

I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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oldcodger 07 Sep 15 7.27pm
It was cleverly timed considering the Syria and refugee situation. That's politics for you. I understand that it could be perceived as shocking and a dangerous precedent. That said the majority of people won't have a problem with it. If you decide to fight with ISIS you have elected to bring misery and destruction into the lives of others so you invite this kind of action.
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07 Sep 15 7.27pm

It was cleverly timed considering the Syria and refugee situation. That's politics for you.

I understand that it could be perceived as shocking and a dangerous precedent. That said the majority of people won't have a problem with it. If you decide to fight with ISIS you have elected to bring misery and destruction into the lives of others so you invite this kind of action.

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Catfish Burgess Hill 07 Sep 15 7.31pm
As far as the victims are concerned, good riddance to worthless s***e. Having said that, this will run and run longer than the Belgrano. I will be most interested to hear Jeremy Corbyn's unequivocal support. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Catfish

Burgess Hill 07 Sep 15 7.31pm

As far as the victims are concerned, good riddance to worthless s***e.
Having said that, this will run and run longer than the Belgrano. I will be most interested to hear Jeremy Corbyn's unequivocal support.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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legaleagle 07 Sep 15 7.36pm
Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way?
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legaleagle

07 Sep 15 7.36pm

Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way?

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Catfish Burgess Hill 07 Sep 15 7.48pm
Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way? Can you really not see a problem? Prime Minister: HM Govt have good grounds to believe there is a substantial risk to the country and I need to deploy deadly force but I can't give you any more details without giving the game away. Oh, actually, I think I might just have. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm

Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way?

Can you really not see a problem?
Prime Minister: HM Govt have good grounds to believe there is a substantial risk to the country and I need to deploy deadly force but I can't give you any more details without giving the game away. Oh, actually, I think I might just have.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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matt_himself Matataland 07 Sep 15 8.07pm
Quote pefwin at 07 Sep 2015 7.08pm Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria. I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier? There is, according to the elected government, substantial reason to suspect that two people who chose to leave Britain, be trained in ISIS camps and have gain conflict experience, were planning terrorist acts in the UK. Given this situation, I fully support the government. Or is several hundred killed in tube bomb better because 'parliament hasn't been defied'? Ask the families of the 7/7 victims for their opinion. Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2015 8.08pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 07 Sep 15 8.07pm

Quote pefwin at 07 Sep 2015 7.08pm

Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria.

I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier?

There is, according to the elected government, substantial reason to suspect that two people who chose to leave Britain, be trained in ISIS camps and have gain conflict experience, were planning terrorist acts in the UK.

Given this situation, I fully support the government.

Or is several hundred killed in tube bomb better because 'parliament hasn't been defied'? Ask the families of the 7/7 victims for their opinion.

Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2015 8.08pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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legaleagle 07 Sep 15 10.02pm
Quote Catfish at 07 Sep 2015 7.48pm Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way? Can you really not see a problem? Prime Minister: HM Govt have good grounds to believe there is a substantial risk to the country and I need to deploy deadly force but I can't give you any more details without giving the game away. Oh, actually, I think I might just have. How about a simple,"HM Govt would like to up the level of military force we use in Iraq/Syria beyond that we currently have authorisation to do.Please can we do so? Just like he asked Parliament previously.Democracy might be a drag but no reason whatsoever to ignore due process in this instance.
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legaleagle

07 Sep 15 10.02pm

Quote Catfish at 07 Sep 2015 7.48pm

Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm

Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way?

How about a simple,"HM Govt would like to up the level of military force we use in Iraq/Syria beyond that we currently have authorisation to do.Please can we do so? Just like he asked Parliament previously.Democracy might be a drag but no reason whatsoever to ignore due process in this instance.

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 07 Sep 15 10.09pm
Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.02pm Quote Catfish at 07 Sep 2015 7.48pm Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way? Can you really not see a problem? Prime Minister: HM Govt have good grounds to believe there is a substantial risk to the country and I need to deploy deadly force but I can't give you any more details without giving the game away. Oh, actually, I think I might just have. How about a simple,"HM Govt would like to up the level of military force we use in Iraq/Syria beyond that we currently have authorisation to do.Please can we do so? Just like he asked Parliament previously.Democracy might be a drag but no reason whatsoever to ignore due process in this instance. Oh, and you two chaps in Syria that we're targeting, would you mind just staying in the same place for a couple of weeks while we debate in Parliament whether it's OK to pop over and kill you?
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Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.02pm

Quote Catfish at 07 Sep 2015 7.48pm

Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm

Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way?

Oh, and you two chaps in Syria that we're targeting, would you mind just staying in the same place for a couple of weeks while we debate in Parliament whether it's OK to pop over and kill you?

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legaleagle 07 Sep 15 10.10pm
Quote matt_himself at 07 Sep 2015 8.07pm Quote pefwin at 07 Sep 2015 7.08pm Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria. I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier? There is, according to the elected government, substantial reason to suspect that two people who chose to leave Britain, be trained in ISIS camps and have gain conflict experience, were planning terrorist acts in the UK. Given this situation, I fully support the government. Or is several hundred killed in tube bomb better because 'parliament hasn't been defied'? Ask the families of the 7/7 victims for their opinion. Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2015 8.08pm) Living in a paliamentary democracy (for all its faults) is precisely IMHO one of the important things that distinguishes us from people like ISIS.If its a good idea to have drone attacks,what's such a bad idea about going to Parliament to endorse it? Or is it a further nail in the coffin of the notion of parliament having a meaningful place in the governance of the country?Next time, it might be a government you disagree with doing something you disagree with without parlimentary endorsement. I'm not putting a view forward about rights and wrongs of using drones in Syria/Iraq.
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legaleagle

07 Sep 15 10.10pm

Quote matt_himself at 07 Sep 2015 8.07pm

Quote pefwin at 07 Sep 2015 7.08pm

Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria.

I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier?

Given this situation, I fully support the government.

Or is several hundred killed in tube bomb better because 'parliament hasn't been defied'? Ask the families of the 7/7 victims for their opinion.

Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2015 8.08pm)

Living in a paliamentary democracy (for all its faults) is precisely IMHO one of the important things that distinguishes us from people like ISIS.If its a good idea to have drone attacks,what's such a bad idea about going to Parliament to endorse it? Or is it a further nail in the coffin of the notion of parliament having a meaningful place in the governance of the country?Next time, it might be a government you disagree with doing something you disagree with without parlimentary endorsement.

I'm not putting a view forward about rights and wrongs of using drones in Syria/Iraq.

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legaleagle 07 Sep 15 10.18pm
Quote palace_in_frogland at 07 Sep 2015 10.09pm Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.02pm Quote Catfish at 07 Sep 2015 7.48pm Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way? Can you really not see a problem? Prime Minister: HM Govt have good grounds to believe there is a substantial risk to the country and I need to deploy deadly force but I can't give you any more details without giving the game away. Oh, actually, I think I might just have. How about a simple,"HM Govt would like to up the level of military force we use in Iraq/Syria beyond that we currently have authorisation to do.Please can we do so? Just like he asked Parliament previously.Democracy might be a drag but no reason whatsoever to ignore due process in this instance. Oh, and you two chaps in Syria that we're targeting, would you mind just staying in the same place for a couple of weeks while we debate in Parliament whether it's OK to pop over and kill you? I get it.Lets just ignore parliament and democracy and do whatever we like... An emergency debate could be held and over within a few days. Likely meaningful effect of 1-2 weeks' delay by the UK in "drone" operations on strategic situation in Iraq/Syria: Big fat zero.The extra time could usefully be used for extra training so we don't have the unfortunate accidents leading to deaths of kids and innocent civilians the US has had from using drones elsewhere ,that would probably act as a far greater recruiting tool/catalyst for local support for ISIS than any 2 week delay by us in getting drones "live". Anyway,not widely appreciated that UK companies have been engaged by the US military for drone programmes for some time Edited by legaleagle (07 Sep 2015 10.19pm)
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legaleagle

07 Sep 15 10.18pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 07 Sep 2015 10.09pm

Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.02pm

Quote Catfish at 07 Sep 2015 7.48pm

Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 7.36pm

Then take it back to Parliament for a vote before you do it.What's the problem about proceeding that way?

Oh, and you two chaps in Syria that we're targeting, would you mind just staying in the same place for a couple of weeks while we debate in Parliament whether it's OK to pop over and kill you?

I get it.Lets just ignore parliament and democracy and do whatever we like...

An emergency debate could be held and over within a few days.

Likely meaningful effect of 1-2 weeks' delay by the UK in "drone" operations on strategic situation in Iraq/Syria: Big fat zero.The extra time could usefully be used for extra training so we don't have the unfortunate accidents leading to deaths of kids and innocent civilians the US has had from using drones elsewhere ,that would probably act as a far greater recruiting tool/catalyst for local support for ISIS than any 2 week delay by us in getting drones "live".

Anyway,not widely appreciated that UK companies have been engaged by the US military for drone programmes for some time

Edited by legaleagle (07 Sep 2015 10.19pm)

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leggedstruggle Croydon 07 Sep 15 10.23pm
A few drone attacks when they are on the way to the airport to go to Syria wouldn't be a bad idea. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 07 Sep 15 10.23pm

A few drone attacks when they are on the way to the airport to go to Syria wouldn't be a bad idea.

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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matt_himself Matataland 07 Sep 15 10.38pm
Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.10pm Quote matt_himself at 07 Sep 2015 8.07pm Quote pefwin at 07 Sep 2015 7.08pm Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria. I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier? There is, according to the elected government, substantial reason to suspect that two people who chose to leave Britain, be trained in ISIS camps and have gain conflict experience, were planning terrorist acts in the UK. Given this situation, I fully support the government. Or is several hundred killed in tube bomb better because 'parliament hasn't been defied'? Ask the families of the 7/7 victims for their opinion. Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2015 8.08pm) Living in a paliamentary democracy (for all its faults) is precisely IMHO one of the important things that distinguishes us from people like ISIS.If its a good idea to have drone attacks,what's such a bad idea about going to Parliament to endorse it? Or is it a further nail in the coffin of the notion of parliament having a meaningful place in the governance of the country?Next time, it might be a government you disagree with doing something you disagree with without parlimentary endorsement. I'm not putting a view forward about rights and wrongs of using drones in Syria/Iraq. And I ask you to ask whether the families of 7/7 victims would prefer that the perpetrators who killed their families were held held up to parliamentary scrutiny before being exposed as mass murderers or after they killed when, their loved ones wouldn't have been massacred but the liberal cause would have been justified. Answers on a postcard... "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 07 Sep 15 10.38pm

Quote legaleagle at 07 Sep 2015 10.10pm

Quote matt_himself at 07 Sep 2015 8.07pm

Quote pefwin at 07 Sep 2015 7.08pm

Having been veto'd by Government, he uses drones in Syria.

I can guess what an MP would say but is defying a Parliament worse than a dodgy dossier?

Given this situation, I fully support the government.

Or is several hundred killed in tube bomb better because 'parliament hasn't been defied'? Ask the families of the 7/7 victims for their opinion.

Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2015 8.08pm)

I'm not putting a view forward about rights and wrongs of using drones in Syria/Iraq.

And I ask you to ask whether the families of 7/7 victims would prefer that the perpetrators who killed their families were held held up to parliamentary scrutiny before being exposed as mass murderers or after they killed when, their loved ones wouldn't have been massacred but the liberal cause would have been justified.

Answers on a postcard...

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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