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movingforward Flag 23 Mar 14 9.00am

Possession in football is the most useless stat that doesn't really prove anything. Our low possession rate is due to the fact we are frustrating opposition by parking our defensive mids directly infront of our back four. Making extremely difficult for teams to break us down.
Opposition are trying to draw our midfield players out in order to get the ball behind them but we're not playing that game, we just sit deep winding up teams as they know shooting from 40 or 50 yards is unlikely to beat Speroni. Hence their possession stat dominance.

It's clear TP wants to concede as little as possible then try to rob the odd goal on the break, which if our players could hit the target would actually work. But no one in our team, at the moment can strike anything on target!
Don't be dishearten with this tactic, it's obvious TP has identified weaknesses in our team and so this will be his game plan until at least fulham away, if we can strike the ball on target we will actually nick the odd win that still could see us safe.

 


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maxipalace Flag in a box 23 Mar 14 9.38am

Quote movingforward at 23 Mar 2014 9.00am

Possession in football is the most useless stat that doesn't really prove anything. Our low possession rate is due to the fact we are frustrating opposition by parking our defensive mids directly infront of our back four. Making extremely difficult for teams to break us down.
Opposition are trying to draw our midfield players out in order to get the ball behind them but we're not playing that game, we just sit deep winding up teams as they know shooting from 40 or 50 yards is unlikely to beat Speroni. Hence their possession stat dominance.

It's clear TP wants to concede as little as possible then try to rob the odd goal on the break, which if our players could hit the target would actually work. But no one in our team, at the moment can strike anything on target!
Don't be dishearten with this tactic, it's obvious TP has identified weaknesses in our team and so this will be his game plan until at least fulham away, if we can strike the ball on target we will actually nick the odd win that still could see us safe.


So what do you suggest v chelsea, city and liverpool ?
Stoke have taken points or beaten these teams at home. Why cant we

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 23 Mar 14 9.45am Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

But like any other sport, the more chances of scoring runs, points or goals you have the more you will score. I don't know what the ratio of goals to chances is in football, but we are expecting our players to take one in every two at the moment, a totally unrealistic ratio in the modern game, bar Ronaldo and Messi. Also with every miss confidence goes, just as with every success confidence grows. No one in the side has a confident touch in front of goal, but with so little match practice it's hardly surprising. I know lots on here are not bothered by the negative tactics and that's fine as everyone is entitled to their views, but we will not stay up if we don't try to be a little more proactive. That is my opinion and I really do hope I'm wrong, but..................

 


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Mangopablo Flag south LONDON 23 Mar 14 9.48am Send a Private Message to Mangopablo Add Mangopablo as a friend

Quote movingforward at 23 Mar 2014 9.00am

Possession in football is the most useless stat that doesn't really prove anything. Our low possession rate is due to the fact we are frustrating opposition by parking our defensive mids directly infront of our back four. Making extremely difficult for teams to break us down.
Opposition are trying to draw our midfield players out in order to get the ball behind them but we're not playing that game, we just sit deep winding up teams as they know shooting from 40 or 50 yards is unlikely to beat Speroni. Hence their possession stat dominance.

It's clear TP wants to concede as little as possible then try to rob the odd goal on the break, which if our players could hit the target would actually work. But no one in our team, at the moment can strike anything on target!
Don't be dishearten with this tactic, it's obvious TP has identified weaknesses in our team and so this will be his game plan until at least fulham away, if we can strike the ball on target we will actually nick the odd win that still could see us safe.

This is all true. To be successful with counter attack football we need to pass better, make better choices, cross better and shoot better. We really miss Wilf for those speedy breakaways (like Peterboro away for example).

 


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Hoof Hearted 23 Mar 14 9.58am

I read loads of posts yesterday that suggested we were "heroes but unlucky".

I think we were lucky that Loic Remy wasn't playing as he would have notched at least 3 of the four gilt edged chances that fell to Cisse. And it was inevitable that Cisse would eventually notch himself after that service to him.

Next week Chelsea will open us up more times than Newcastle did, so it will be a damage limitation exercise.

What worries me is the week after. I watched the full 90 minutes of Cardiff V Liverpool and Cardiff are very strong in attack and have talented players that will cause us problems. We need to get them on the back foot.

Our "defensive" midfield system isn't working for me and we need to drop KG (we don't need 2 defensive CM's) and play Bannan who will take the game to the opposition.

I think we should play Ward as a right back and Ledley as left back (he's looked good when put there) and Dann and Delaney central. Mariappa is best at right back, but not as good as Ward.

I would play Murray and Chamakh up top and Bolasie and Puncheon as wingers with Jedi in the middle.

Ince as an impact sub with 30 mins to go.

I still think teams will get us but at least we can carry some threat to them which we haven't done for weeks now.

 

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EastEndPalace Flag WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 23 Mar 14 11.16am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Mar 2014 9.58am

I read loads of posts yesterday that suggested we were "heroes but unlucky".

I think we were lucky that Loic Remy wasn't playing as he would have notched at least 3 of the four gilt edged chances that fell to Cisse. And it was inevitable that Cisse would eventually notch himself after that service to him.

Next week Chelsea will open us up more times than Newcastle did, so it will be a damage limitation exercise.

What worries me is the week after. I watched the full 90 minutes of Cardiff V Liverpool and Cardiff are very strong in attack and have talented players that will cause us problems. We need to get them on the back foot.

Our "defensive" midfield system isn't working for me and we need to drop KG (we don't need 2 defensive CM's) and play Bannan who will take the game to the opposition.

I think we should play Ward as a right back and Ledley as left back (he's looked good when put there) and Dann and Delaney central. Mariappa is best at right back, but not as good as Ward.

I would play Murray and Chamakh up top and Bolasie and Puncheon as wingers with Jedi in the middle.

Ince as an impact sub with 30 mins to go.

I still think teams will get us but at least we can carry some threat to them which we haven't done for weeks now.

You say you watched yesterdays game, and you call for Bannan to start he was shocking.

 

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Hoof Hearted 23 Mar 14 11.20am

Quote EastEndPalace at 23 Mar 2014 11.16am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Mar 2014 9.58am

I read loads of posts yesterday that suggested we were "heroes but unlucky".

I think we were lucky that Loic Remy wasn't playing as he would have notched at least 3 of the four gilt edged chances that fell to Cisse. And it was inevitable that Cisse would eventually notch himself after that service to him.

Next week Chelsea will open us up more times than Newcastle did, so it will be a damage limitation exercise.

What worries me is the week after. I watched the full 90 minutes of Cardiff V Liverpool and Cardiff are very strong in attack and have talented players that will cause us problems. We need to get them on the back foot.

Our "defensive" midfield system isn't working for me and we need to drop KG (we don't need 2 defensive CM's) and play Bannan who will take the game to the opposition.

I think we should play Ward as a right back and Ledley as left back (he's looked good when put there) and Dann and Delaney central. Mariappa is best at right back, but not as good as Ward.

I would play Murray and Chamakh up top and Bolasie and Puncheon as wingers with Jedi in the middle.

Ince as an impact sub with 30 mins to go.

I still think teams will get us but at least we can carry some threat to them which we haven't done for weeks now.

You say you watched yesterdays game, and you call for Bannan to start he was shocking.


He had little time to make a contribution yesterday.

Before Pulis dropped him he was playing brilliantly and won us the game v Hull. I cannot understand why he was dropped.

If not Bannan to replace KG then O'Keefe... he would be a better option and has found the net, which is something KG seems allergic to.

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 23 Mar 14 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Cisse notched with his fifth chance I think. Our team don't get 5 chances in a match. Maybe even CamJam would score if he had five chances in one match..... then again

 


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blind eagle Flag Covington.Tennessee 23 Mar 14 4.02pm Send a Private Message to blind eagle Add blind eagle as a friend

No I don't think our defense is that bad ,in fact I reckon defensively we are at least a good average. No our problem is all about goals!. To win we must score and I just hope Pulis now sees that by soaking up pressure for seventy or eighty minutes we are not going to get three points,if we are very lucky we might get a point here and there. Forward and upward by attacking football.

 

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kennys boots 79 Flag Keston 23 Mar 14 4.25pm Send a Private Message to kennys boots 79 Add kennys boots 79 as a friend

Quote maxipalace at 23 Mar 2014 9.38am


So what do you suggest v chelsea, city and liverpool ?
Stoke have taken points or beaten these teams at home. Why cant we

Because you thick c*** , Stoke have been in the Premiership the last six years and therefore have the money to attract, buy and pay Premiership players . The same Stoke we beat at home this year. The same Stoke who Tony Pulis got to the Premiership and kept them there for those six years.


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 23 Mar 14 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Quote movingforward at 23 Mar 2014 9.00am

Possession in football is the most useless stat that doesn't really prove anything. Our low possession rate is due to the fact we are frustrating opposition by parking our defensive mids directly infront of our back four. Making extremely difficult for teams to break us down.
Opposition are trying to draw our midfield players out in order to get the ball behind them but we're not playing that game, we just sit deep winding up teams as they know shooting from 40 or 50 yards is unlikely to beat Speroni. Hence their possession stat dominance.

It's clear TP wants to concede as little as possible then try to rob the odd goal on the break, which if our players could hit the target would actually work. But no one in our team, at the moment can strike anything on target!
Don't be dishearten with this tactic, it's obvious TP has identified weaknesses in our team and so this will be his game plan until at least fulham away, if we can strike the ball on target we will actually nick the odd win that still could see us safe.


No...not at all (in answer the the thread title)...its just soo sapping for a team to do for 90mins. The problem is at the moment its a self fulfilling prophecy...we sit back and that draws teams onto us, making it harder to break and when we do we dont have anyone of real quality up front to score...so it comes back and the cycle repeats itself...the pressure builds and players are absolutely drained...which is where the mistakes come from.

 


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movingforward Flag 23 Mar 14 5.56pm

Quote Lyons550 at 23 Mar 2014 4.59pm

Quote movingforward at 23 Mar 2014 9.00am

Possession in football is the most useless stat that doesn't really prove anything. Our low possession rate is due to the fact we are frustrating opposition by parking our defensive mids directly infront of our back four. Making extremely difficult for teams to break us down.
Opposition are trying to draw our midfield players out in order to get the ball behind them but we're not playing that game, we just sit deep winding up teams as they know shooting from 40 or 50 yards is unlikely to beat Speroni. Hence their possession stat dominance.

It's clear TP wants to concede as little as possible then try to rob the odd goal on the break, which if our players could hit the target would actually work. But no one in our team, at the moment can strike anything on target!
Don't be dishearten with this tactic, it's obvious TP has identified weaknesses in our team and so this will be his game plan until at least fulham away, if we can strike the ball on target we will actually nick the odd win that still could see us safe.


No...not at all (in answer the the thread title)...its just soo sapping for a team to do for 90mins. The problem is at the moment its a self fulfilling prophecy...we sit back and that draws teams onto us, making it harder to break and when we do we dont have anyone of real quality up front to score...so it comes back and the cycle repeats itself...the pressure builds and players are absolutely drained...which is where the mistakes come from.


I agree with most of that apart from the counter attack part. I think we counter attack well but lack massively in the final third. The truth is we dont have much quality up top, Chamakh has shown flashes of brilliance but is out until at least 29th March, Murray is untested in prem and needs to be fed with crosses which he hasn't had yet. Its a big ask to expect anything from Gayle, plus he is out to at least April 5th.
Bolasie always takes one touch too many so dont think TP is left with much choice other than to try to minimise goal against difference.

 


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