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thommo1 Peckham 20 Jan 14 1.43pm | |
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It has a hold on me and for you I am sure and for people who just dont get it .... Well they just dont get it.. but what is IT... There must be something in the Human psyche that a GAME where you kick a bag of air between two sticks gets people into such a frenzy and controls there thoughts and feelings.. Maybe a behaviorist could explain.. I feel its not just the game but a tribal need to belong to a group which gives us a sense of identity that in the modern world does not really exist.. Yes I have alot of time to think ;-)
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andrewravesax cowbridge 20 Jan 14 3.27pm | |
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I have spent sixty years trying to understand my totally irrational feelings, given that nowadays virtually none of the players are "locals". But despite moving a dozen times, I have never been able to form a real attachment to any other club.
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paulose17 Sutton 20 Jan 14 3.44pm | |
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Not sure of the answer but sometimes I think we all belong in a nuthouse sometimes
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Part Time James 20 Jan 14 3.47pm | |
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Maybe it reverts us to a deep seated need to be tribal and face off against others. I was reflecting the other day, if no one I ever encountered liked football, would I feel so up/down after a weekend of football results? I follow the NHL Ice Hockey as well as football and when my chosen team loses I feel slightly miffed but because I know very few people who even know what the NHL is, it doesn't harm my mood so much.
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cp forever south london 20 Jan 14 4.46pm | |
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Isn't it all to do with belonging, kind of family, I used to follow football without being attached to a club and did not experience the terrible ups and downs that happen now, except for some of the England campaigns of course.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Jan 14 4.53pm | |
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Crowd Psychology, its about the expression of aspects of self along shared identified lines. To an extent this may well be hardwired into us biologically, but Team sports generally tie into our need to belong to a tribe. Its more emphasised in football than other sports because football has much strong emotional highs and lows, because chance dominates the outcome more than other sports, and the difference between a 'win and a loss' are very tight, making individuals tense, and thus the crowd tense, and then feeding back into the crowd. Unsurprisingly, its football not tennis or cricket that are associated with violence (itself tied to the tribalism, the tense atmosphere and the adoption of localised rivalries). To some extent there is a primal element in us that is tribal, we need to belong to a group and be part of that group, and football really ties into this, for better and for worse. Its also an atmosphere in which men can openly express their aggressive nature, safely, protected by the depersonalisation and comeradery of their fellows.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Jan 14 4.55pm | |
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Quote Part Time James at 20 Jan 2014 3.47pm
Maybe it reverts us to a deep seated need to be tribal and face off against others. I was reflecting the other day, if no one I ever encountered liked football, would I feel so up/down after a weekend of football results? I follow the NHL Ice Hockey as well as football and when my chosen team loses I feel slightly miffed but because I know very few people who even know what the NHL is, it doesn't harm my mood so much. Indeed, and in Canada the reverse is probably true. They're quite tribal about their Ice Hockey and trouble between fans occurs.
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EagleRider Seasalter, Kent 20 Jan 14 5.02pm | |
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I don't think it's football but sports in general.
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thommo1 Peckham 20 Jan 14 5.06pm | |
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Good answer Jamie,
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SE9 EAGLE 20 Jan 14 5.11pm | |
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Quote EagleRider at 20 Jan 2014 5.02pm
I don't think it's football but sports in general.
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EagleRider Seasalter, Kent 20 Jan 14 5.20pm | |
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Quote SE9 EAGLE at 20 Jan 2014 5.11pm
Quote EagleRider at 20 Jan 2014 5.02pm
I don't think it's football but sports in general.
Sorry mate, I grew up in America and therefore didn't even think of cricket as being a real sport when replying earlier. I may disagree about the rugby, though my knowledge of English rugby is not brilliant. I'm not sure your level of experience with any of the following, but if you are or were better acquainted with ice hockey, american football, basketball, and yes...even baseball in some cities, you'd know fans gets pretty damn emotive and possibly even end up in a fist fight when the team scores an upset or even just beats the tar out of a team they were expected to beat.
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Midlands Eagle 20 Jan 14 5.28pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 Jan 2014 4.53pm
Crowd Psychology, its about the expression of aspects of self along shared identified lines. To an extent this may well be hardwired into us biologically, but Team sports generally tie into our need to belong to a tribe. Its more emphasised in football than other sports because football has much strong emotional highs and lows, because chance dominates the outcome more than other sports, and the difference between a 'win and a loss' are very tight, making individuals tense, and thus the crowd tense, and then feeding back into the crowd. Unsurprisingly, its football not tennis or cricket that are associated with violence (itself tied to the tribalism, the tense atmosphere and the adoption of localised rivalries). I'm afraid that I don't agree with you. Any cricket fan who goes regularly to Test Matches or even One Day Internationals will tell you that they can be equally emotional with the same highs and lows that you get in football. Unlike football though fans of opposing teams happily sit next to each other, talk to each other and congratulate each other and whilst winning in cricket is as important to the fan as it is in football you don't get the same sorts of aggravation and violence that you do in football. Whilst I disagree with you I can't give an alternative reason for the difference as football seems to appeal to peoples' baser instincts but I don't know why
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