Like I said.

They can vote on what leaving actually is, not as politicians said 2 years ago.

How ridiculous it looks now, go back to it the campaign is painful, but if you vote again democrats no objection from me.

The last referendum was advisory only as you know.

Referendums bah humbug .........

Pick up the phone and scrap the whole thing.....

What utter tripe. The parameters of our relationship with the EU have not changed one iota. You are just whining about the outcomes following our decision. And it is pathetic.

We are still subject to the exact same treaty conditions, subservience to the ECJ, limitations in our trading relations outside their protectionist barrier, taking law passed via a rubber-stamping parliament and meeking dumping it into our statute books with no dissent allowed.

If (for example) in the intervening 2 years EU membership were re-defined such that, we were no long subject to ECJ rulings and were able to strike trade deals with the ROW, then it would perhaps be legitimate to re-consider the question.

But you only want to revisit the question because you lost. Dress it up however you want, it is only those that want to remain that are calling for another referendum.

Ironically, of course, the original referendum in the 70's didn't include the huge drive for "integration" (read "United States of Europe" within the scope for the vote. Our relationship fundamentally changed with Maastricht (no referendum), Nice (no referendum) and Lisbon (no referendum, and by far the most far-reaching transfer of power).

Edited by davenotamonkey (08 Oct 2018 5.54pm)

Which is exactly why I don't bother any more - Remainiac lobotomies on here, and wider afield have now doubled down and see it as their one and only saviour, their panacea for all, their one-true-answer to the "nasty tories".

It's become a cult. If you don't believe me, go take a look at the "FBPE" nut-cases on twitter. Literally a cult.

And you can't reason with cultists.

Mmmm...on the verge of 1000 pages.

Anyone changed their minds over the course of the thread?

I don't think that people want to leave the EU anymore, or even did in 2016 it was marginal.

A vote again would be for remain in my opinion.

Look back at that vote, that campaign, and tell me that it was fair, balanced, legal and not hysterical wildly dishonest.

But the main thing is that leave objectives will not be achieved.

That bonkers red bus, would leave roll it out now? That's how discredited the whole thing is.

If a vote is called then the public can vote on the issue as it actually is, what is actually going to happen if the UK leaves the EU.

Leavers can just go out and vote leave again nobody is stopping them.