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Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 21 11.50am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So is it remiss of the pharmaceutical companies not to have produced 24 billion doses and spread them around the world? By late June 2021, 46% of people in high income countries had received at least one dose of the covid-19 vaccine compared with 20% in middle income countries and only 0.9% in low income countries. This inequity has been driven by a global political economy that has permitted some countries to purchase more vaccine than they require while others have very limited supplies. Canada, for example, with a gross domestic product (GDP) of 000 (£32 000; €39 000) per head has vaccines for 434% of its population, whereas Jordan, which has twice the incidence of covid-19 and a GDP of 00 per head, has secured doses for only 6% of its people.2 As covid-19 variants are already showing some ability to evade the current vaccines, it is evident that without global vaccine equity and immunity, our efforts against covid-19 are in jeopardy. Equitable vaccine distribution to the world’s highest risk populations requires a multipronged approach that includes vaccine development and approval; scaling manufacturing; streamlining shipment, storage, and distribution; and building vaccine confidence. International collaborations have helped tackle several of these fundamentals. However, the global community remains deeply divided on how to overcome the scarcity of supply. Pharmaceutical trade associations claim that supply is not a problem as manufacturers can supposedly provide 10 billion doses by the end of 2021. [Link] This is really an issue of leadership and group action. Too many people not seeing and dealing with the big picture Edited by Mapletree (05 Dec 2021 11.54am)
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Croydon 05 Dec 21 11.50am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So is it remiss of the pharmaceutical companies not to have produced 24 billion doses and spread them around the world?

By late June 2021, 46% of people in high income countries had received at least one dose of the covid-19 vaccine compared with 20% in middle income countries and only 0.9% in low income
countries. This inequity has been driven by a global political economy that has permitted some countries to purchase more vaccine than they require while others have very limited supplies. Canada, for example, with a gross domestic product (GDP) of 000 (£32 000; €39 000) per head has vaccines for
434% of its population, whereas Jordan, which has twice the incidence of covid-19 and a GDP of 00 per head, has secured doses for only 6% of its people.2 As covid-19 variants are already showing some ability to evade the current vaccines, it is evident that without global vaccine equity and immunity, our efforts against covid-19 are in jeopardy.

Equitable vaccine distribution to the world’s highest risk populations requires a multipronged approach that includes vaccine development and approval; scaling manufacturing; streamlining shipment, storage, and distribution; and building vaccine confidence. International collaborations have helped tackle several of these fundamentals. However, the global community remains deeply divided on how to overcome the scarcity of supply. Pharmaceutical trade associations claim that supply is not a problem as manufacturers can supposedly provide 10 billion doses by the end of 2021.

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This is really an issue of leadership and group action. Too many people not seeing and dealing with the big picture

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Dec 21 12.00pm
Originally posted by Mapletree By late June 2021, 46% of people in high income countries had received at least one dose of the covid-19 vaccine compared with 20% in middle income countries and only 0.9% in low income countries. This inequity has been driven by a global political economy that has permitted some countries to purchase more vaccine than they require while others have very limited supplies. Canada, for example, with a gross domestic product (GDP) of 000 (£32 000; €39 000) per head has vaccines for 434% of its population, whereas Jordan, which has twice the incidence of covid-19 and a GDP of 00 per head, has secured doses for only 6% of its people.2 As covid-19 variants are already showing some ability to evade the current vaccines, it is evident that without global vaccine equity and immunity, our efforts against covid-19 are in jeopardy. Equitable vaccine distribution to the world’s highest risk populations requires a multipronged approach that includes vaccine development and approval; scaling manufacturing; streamlining shipment, storage, and distribution; and building vaccine confidence. International collaborations have helped tackle several of these fundamentals. However, the global community remains deeply divided on how to overcome the scarcity of supply. Pharmaceutical trade associations claim that supply is not a problem as manufacturers can supposedly provide 10 billion doses by the end of 2021. [Link] This is really an issue of leadership and group action. Too many people not seeing and dealing with the big picture Edited by Mapletree (05 Dec 2021 11.53am) I don’t think many will disagree. It’s the usual suspects claiming it should have already happened and blaming people who get up people’s noses when it’s more sense to vaccinate your own in the early days rather than a small minority in the developing world. And that says supply isn’t the problem as pharmaceutical companies claim they can supply the vaccines. The problem will be delivering and administering the shots, and also convincing many to actually have it. Just look at South Africa. 25% vax rates. COYP
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Caterham 05 Dec 21 12.00pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

By late June 2021, 46% of people in high income countries had received at least one dose of the covid-19 vaccine compared with 20% in middle income countries and only 0.9% in low income
countries. This inequity has been driven by a global political economy that has permitted some countries to purchase more vaccine than they require while others have very limited supplies. Canada, for example, with a gross domestic product (GDP) of 000 (£32 000; €39 000) per head has vaccines for
434% of its population, whereas Jordan, which has twice the incidence of covid-19 and a GDP of 00 per head, has secured doses for only 6% of its people.2 As covid-19 variants are already showing some ability to evade the current vaccines, it is
evident that without global vaccine equity and immunity, our efforts against covid-19 are in jeopardy.

This is really an issue of leadership and group action. Too many people not seeing and dealing with the big picture

Edited by Mapletree (05 Dec 2021 11.53am)

I don’t think many will disagree. It’s the usual suspects claiming it should have already happened and blaming people who get up people’s noses when it’s more sense to vaccinate your own in the early days rather than a small minority in the developing world. And that says supply isn’t the problem as pharmaceutical companies claim they can supply the vaccines. The problem will be delivering and administering the shots, and also convincing many to actually have it. Just look at South Africa. 25% vax rates.

COYP

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Dec 21 12.27pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I don’t think many will disagree. It’s the usual suspects claiming it should have already happened and blaming people who get up people’s noses when it’s more sense to vaccinate your own in the early days rather than a small minority in the developing world. And that says supply isn’t the problem as pharmaceutical companies claim they can supply the vaccines. The problem will be delivering and administering the shots, and also convincing many to actually have it. Just look at South Africa. 25% vax rates. The SA government recently asked the vaccine company to stop sending them doses as they couldn't use the ones they had due to low take up amongst the population. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Dec 21 12.27pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The SA government recently asked the vaccine company to stop sending them doses as they couldn't use the ones they had due to low take up amongst the population.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 21 2.42pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Question: If someone has no other medical reason not to be vaccinated, why would someone choose not to be jabbed? Answer: Because they are an imbecile who if they contract covid is much more likely to be seriously ill or die. Darwin at work Thanks. Apparently I'm stupid and a fair number of phds are stupid as well. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 21 2.42pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Question: If someone has no other medical reason not to be vaccinated, why would someone choose not to be jabbed?

Answer: Because they are an imbecile who if they contract covid is much more likely to be seriously ill or die.

Darwin at work

Thanks.

Apparently I'm stupid and a fair number of phds are stupid as well.

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 21 2.54pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Thanks. Apparently I'm stupid and a fair number of phds are stupid as well. And your point is?
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Croydon 05 Dec 21 2.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Thanks.

Apparently I'm stupid and a fair number of phds are stupid as well.

And your point is?

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 21 2.57pm
Originally posted by Mapletree And your point is? You really need to pull your narcissism in Maple. You very obviously didn't watch that video link. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 21 2.57pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

And your point is?

You really need to pull your narcissism in Maple.

You very obviously didn't watch that video link.

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 21 2.58pm
This may be helpful, it shows how immunologists assess natural immunity versus vaccinations. [Link]
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Croydon 05 Dec 21 2.58pm

This may be helpful, it shows how immunologists assess natural immunity versus vaccinations.

[Link]

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 21 3.03pm
What's very apparent is that those full for of insults for those not taking a vaccine didn't watch that video I linked to. They should do and understand that there are plenty of qualified people out there who think their certainties are misplaced. They also have stats and evidence to back up their points....watch the link. Also, I just have to say....I hear about this 'social responsibility' thing all the time. All of a sudden people are meant to feel responsibility for others to the extent that they are expected to take a newly developed vaccine for them. Hang on...this isn't how society works? This is possibly the most hypocritical point I've ever heard. Where was all this when I was living in a council house on the dole getting sh1t pushed through my door? Where was this social responsibility argument? No one gave a feck about the health of those they didn't know. This is complete b0llocks. Some of these people are control freaks who think they are talking to simpletons. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them....and I have a particularly dodgey infected shoulder.....which isn't being fixed because of their cheered on policies....so that wouldn't be that far. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2021 3.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 21 3.03pm

What's very apparent is that those full for of insults for those not taking a vaccine didn't watch that video I linked to.

They should do and understand that there are plenty of qualified people out there who think their certainties are misplaced. They also have stats and evidence to back up their points....watch the link.

Also, I just have to say....I hear about this 'social responsibility' thing all the time. All of a sudden people are meant to feel responsibility for others to the extent that they are expected to take a newly developed vaccine for them.

Hang on...this isn't how society works? This is possibly the most hypocritical point I've ever heard. Where was all this when I was living in a council house on the dole getting sh1t pushed through my door? Where was this social responsibility argument? No one gave a feck about the health of those they didn't know. This is complete b0llocks. Some of these people are control freaks who think they are talking to simpletons. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them....and I have a particularly dodgey infected shoulder.....which isn't being fixed because of their cheered on policies....so that wouldn't be that far.

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 21 3.08pm
Originally posted by Mapletree This may be helpful, it shows how immunologists assess natural immunity versus vaccinations. [Link] I'll watch this link....unlike what you appear to have done with mine. However before I do, didn't Israel just have a large study that showed that natural immunity was considerably....in fact very significantly more effective than vaccines. Or have you ignored that one as well? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 21 3.08pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

This may be helpful, it shows how immunologists assess natural immunity versus vaccinations.

[Link]

I'll watch this link....unlike what you appear to have done with mine.

However before I do, didn't Israel just have a large study that showed that natural immunity was considerably....in fact very significantly more effective than vaccines.

Or have you ignored that one as well?

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 21 3.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You really need to pull your narcissism in Maple. You very obviously didn't watch that video link. You want me to watch 52 minutes of someone that is not an immunologist and also wears a tie like that? Think again. Someone that is an ENT specialist now in the private sector who has been disavowed by his employer, the New Victoria Hospital. He has no special knowledge and certainly doesn't trump the likes of the graphic I posted above from the proper specialists. Note he implies that post covid immunity is a 'natural vaccine' much better than the vaccinations. This is simply nonsense. Find me someone credible.
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Croydon 05 Dec 21 3.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You really need to pull your narcissism in Maple.

You very obviously didn't watch that video link.

You want me to watch 52 minutes of someone that is not an immunologist and also wears a tie like that? Think again.

Someone that is an ENT specialist now in the private sector who has been disavowed by his employer, the New Victoria Hospital. He has no special knowledge and certainly doesn't trump the likes of the graphic I posted above from the proper specialists.

Note he implies that post covid immunity is a 'natural vaccine' much better than the vaccinations. This is simply nonsense.

Find me someone credible.

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 21 3.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'll watch this link....unlike what you appear to have done with mine. However before I do, didn't Israel just have a large study that showed that natural immunity was considerably....in fact very significantly more effective than vaccines. Or have you ignored that one as well? How long will you watch it for?
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Croydon 05 Dec 21 3.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'll watch this link....unlike what you appear to have done with mine.

However before I do, didn't Israel just have a large study that showed that natural immunity was considerably....in fact very significantly more effective than vaccines.

Or have you ignored that one as well?

How long will you watch it for?

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 21 3.14pm
Originally posted by Mapletree How long will you watch it for? Frigging poster. I would be very interested in some actual stats to back up contentions that appear to be suggesting that natural immunity is less effective than vaccines. Indeed, that entire poster seems to be written towards that end. Watch my link. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2021 3.16pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 21 3.14pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

How long will you watch it for?

Frigging poster.

I would be very interested in some actual stats to back up contentions that appear to be suggesting that natural immunity is less effective than vaccines.

Indeed, that entire poster seems to be written towards that end.

Watch my link.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2021 3.16pm)

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