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 Stirlingsays  04 Dec 21 7.13pm |
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Again, I urge people to listen to the interview. This isn't about the interviewer, who I don't know much about it's about whether the information coming from the surgeon of 30 years is true or not. Everything else is a distraction.
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 georgenorman 04 Dec 21 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The impact on other NHS services, including cancer, is well understood and one of the primary reasons why the vaccination programme is regarded as so important. Reduce the number of hospital admissions because of Covid, and you can start to recover the time lost for other treatments. Confusing the issue by relating it to lockdowns is where the error lies. Not that there isn't a problem. There are many NHS concerns and the sooner we reduce the burden on the NHS the better. As a cancer sufferer myself, I understand this only too well. So instead of posting politically motivated videos, I suggest you go and get yourself vaccinated and play your part in overcoming this terrible situation. It would be a much more productive use of your time than trawling through the web looking for videos that lend apparent credence to your biases. Of course, you must judge information on its truth, and not who posts it. I hope you, and everyone else, remembers that when considering what I just wrote. From the tone of your response, it sounds as though you would like the public to vote in a referendum on the best way to handle this. Great idea. Brexit was daft. That would be even dafter. We employ experts. You may not like what they conclude, but that's their job. You are very unlikely to actually know better. I have read some of the other things this lady has said, and it's clear what her political position is. Even in this interview, she was asking heavily loaded questions. She isn't a journalist at all. She is an activist. Trust her at your peril. Is all this the current 'one party conservative' line?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 9.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Again, I urge people to listen to the interview. This isn't about the interviewer, who I don't know much about it's about whether the information coming from the surgeon of 30 years is true or not. Everything else is a distraction. That's a little simplistic, even for you! If the "surgeon of 30 years" has suddenly, in retirement, found a new notoriety and is enjoying the attention, as he apparently does, is then asked a series of loaded questions, by an advocate of a particular politically inspired position, then those things aren't distractions at all. They are context, and context matters. By all means, listen to the interview, but do so with the context in mind. I have little doubt Dr Tony Hinton is a decent, caring guy who is concerned for people in his speciality who have been impacted by the pandemic's demands on the NHS. He isn't though the Health Secretary, or one of his advisers, whose job it is to look at the bigger picture.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 9.09pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Is all this the current 'one party conservative' line? Silly. There isn't one, and never has been one, on this or any other subject.
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| georgenorman 04 Dec 21 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Silly. There isn't one, and never has been one, on this or any other subject. The amount of time you spend on this forum! I'm surprised you find time to fit in the other self indulgent activites that I'm sure you practice. Edited by georgenorman (04 Dec 2021 10.10pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Dec 21 10.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You won't just let it sit. The guy who defended Qatar on here while it was being criticised for its death penalty policy on homosexuals strictly upon the basis that it hadn't carried one out for some years wants to tell me that I'm extremely right wing. Ok. The guy who a few times opined that IQ tests favoured Jews because Jews designed them spends a lot of his time complaining about conspiracy theorists and theories. Ok. I reckon your mirror is on the wonk. As for me, it's true I'm on the dissentient right, however that doesn't mean that I don't concur with several left wing libertarian positions, particularly on elites and authoritarianism for example....You can find me recommending Russell Brand and Jimmy Dore videos, because they tackle areas I agree with them on. Where that actually puts me outside of stereotypes.I don't know. I can definitely say I don't like liars and hypocritics either. Nor poor winter coat recommendations for that matter. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2021 3.33pm) Now you see, I didn’t defend Qatar. I just pointed out the data. And that’s the rub. You will spin like the Mole on Thunderbirds and then say you have proved something. That is not objectivity, just bluster. And, objectively, if you want a really warm winter jacket use the one traditionally used by mountain climbers as I recommended. Also you will need a hard shell outer jacket if going out in wet or extremely windy conditions. Sometimes I wonder if you ever leave Wisbech.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Dec 21 11.14pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Now you see, I didn’t defend Qatar. I just pointed out the data. And that’s the rub. You will spin like the Mole on Thunderbirds and then say you have proved something. That is not objectivity, just bluster. And, objectively, if you want a really warm winter jacket use the one traditionally used by mountain climbers as I recommended. Also you will need a hard shell outer jacket if going out in wet or extremely windy conditions. Sometimes I wonder if you ever leave Wisbech. I don't regard it as an unreasonable description....really weird position to take within the context of the discussion but there you go....I'm not saying you agree with them though, you probably got caught up with countering your political opposites. I think you are right about the jacket there....but I wanted an all in one and so got myself a Ski Jacket.....Well, I went ski clothing mad and brought the trousers and socks as well.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 11.42pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The amount of time you spend on this forum! I'm surprised you find time to fit in the other self indulgent activites that I'm sure you practice. Edited by georgenorman (04 Dec 2021 10.10pm) You would be very surprised at how little time I actually spend here. Only when I take a break during the day, which I need to do a little more these days. Then I check my emails, look at the news and see what's going on in the forums I populate. I am not much for daytime TV and prefer the radio, although the snooker has been pretty good. I can multitask and type pretty quickly, having been early into computer keyboards. By the time I have drunk my cuppa I am up and doing other things, although tonight I have been correcting the English in a 2000 word article for a friend.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 05 Dec 21 12.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's a little simplistic, even for you! If the "surgeon of 30 years" has suddenly, in retirement, found a new notoriety and is enjoying the attention, as he apparently does, is then asked a series of loaded questions, by an advocate of a particular politically inspired position, then those things aren't distractions at all. They are context, and context matters. By all means, listen to the interview, but do so with the context in mind. I have little doubt Dr Tony Hinton is a decent, caring guy who is concerned for people in his speciality who have been impacted by the pandemic's demands on the NHS. He isn't though the Health Secretary, or one of his advisers, whose job it is to look at the bigger picture. Hard to imagine anyone seeking attention in their retirement. There are some people who you would never buy a computer keyboard from as the " I " would be worn out.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 05 Dec 21 12.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Here we go again! More personal attacks rather than reasoned argument. Just because someone adopts an extreme right approach to their politics doesn't mean that someone else is sympathetic to the far left. I detest the far-left. I have little time for the state ownership of assets, unless it is unavoidable. The only thing that I approved of with Thatcher was her emancipating the power of the Unions, who were previously so disruptive. I thought Corbyn and his cronies were a disaster, and the primary reason we ended up with Johnson. So Thatcher freed the power of the Unions from oppressive bondage? Do you mean that the nation was emancipated from the power of the Unions? Corbyn's cronies included Starmer, the Deputy Leader,and a number of the Shadow Cabinet. Many have made it clear they were totally opposed to the systemic anti Semitism under Corbyn but forget to speak about it in public.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 05 Dec 21 12.52am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whilst that's true of some viruses, it isn't of others. Of course the human race has survived, and probably would again if we abandoned vaccinations. But at what cost to human life and economic prosperity? Up to 100 million people are thought to have died from Spanish flu, which was the most recent pandemic and closest comparative to Covid. That was when the world population was much smaller and international travel almost unknown in comparison to today. Imagine what the consequences of Spanish flu spreading unchecked in today's world, and you can start to imagine what might have been without the vaccines. Earlier pandemics would have been somewhat contained by a lack of travel and less crowded lifestyles, but we know they occurred. This is the problem humans. I'd like you to understand the arrogance of your reply. But I doubt that you can.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 05 Dec 21 12.55am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Did your type this out on your way back from getting your booster jab? No. Did you?
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