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W12 04 Dec 21 4.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You aren't just arguing with me, you are arguing with the government scientists. See my previous post. I certainly am!
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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 21 4.53pm | |
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While I accept that this possibly wasn't quite the intent it also can be said that the suggestion that scientists shouldn't be questioned because they work for the government....is somewhat taking an anti science position. This kind of stance would mean we were would have ignored Einstein because Newton's theories were the accepted view. The very nature of Science is that it must be questioned and securitized. It's the very point of peer review for example. While presumably no one here is a specialist it is certainly true that specialists differ and that those who differ with the government have felt pressured into silence. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2021 4.56pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 5.01pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
How does any of that explain the very low infection mortality rate or the fact that mortality is still within a normal range? Perhaps a better question would be why you are asking questions based on incorrect assertions. "Very low" requires some context. For me it's just over none. The UK mortality rate in November was 16.9% above the 5 year average.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 5.03pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
I certainly am! Your qualifications for doing so are....?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 5.05pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I don't - I view them as idiots. How they view you will, regrettably, have to remain unknown. Don't want to break the rules!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 5.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Here Dr Tony Hinton, who is a retired NHS surgeon of 30 years, is interviewed by journalist Sonia Elijah about the Covid vaccine booster programme, vaccine adverse events, vaccine passports and censorship. That there are sone dissident opinions is true. So is that there are plenty of attention seekers. What matters is the consensus viewpoint, and we know what that it isn't that held by this guy. Some people still believe the world is flat. Doesn't mean they are right.
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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 21 5.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That there are sone dissident opinions is true. So is that there are plenty of attention seekers. What matters is the consensus viewpoint, and we know what that it isn't that held by this guy. Some people still believe the world is flat. Doesn't mean they are right. I say that if you have watched the video and that is still your view then I just don't know how to respond to you. I say to people, watch this highly qualified practitioner and make your own mind up. What he says on cancer is particularly concerning.
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georgenorman 04 Dec 21 5.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How they view you will, regrettably, have to remain unknown. Don't want to break the rules! Surely as a 'one nation conservative', you view Liberal voters as idiots too?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 5.50pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Surely as a 'one nation conservative', you view Liberal voters as idiots too? I view idiots as idiots. They come in many shapes and sizes.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 6.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I say that if you have watched the video and that is still your view then I just don't know how to respond to you. I say to people, watch this highly qualified practitioner and make your own mind up. What he says on cancer is particularly concerning. Whilst he is certainly a dissident, his comments on the impact of our covid response on cancer are not new. These are well understood. Who-ever is actually taking the decisions will know this and will have had to make some very difficult judgement calls. It's always easy to criticise and point out the fairly obvious. It's much, much harder to actually make a finely balanced decision. By all means watch it, learn if there is anything really new to you, and then form an opinion. But also bear in mind who is conducting the interview and why they are doing so. It would be reasonable to conclude that Sonya Elijah has a specific political perspective and keeps some dubious company. She regularly collaborates with James Delingpole, the UK editor of Breitbart. Be known by the company you keep!
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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 21 6.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whilst he is certainly a dissident, his comments on the impact of our covid response on cancer are not new. These are well understood. Who-ever is actually taking the decisions will know this and will have had to make some very difficult judgement calls. It's always easy to criticise and point out the fairly obvious. It's much, much harder to actually make a finely balanced decision. By all means watch it, learn if there is anything really new to you, and then form an opinion. But also bear in mind who is conducting the interview and why they are doing so. It would be reasonable to conclude that Sonya Elijah has a specific political perspective and keeps some dubious company. She regularly collaborates with James Delingpole, the UK editor of Breitbart. Be known by the company you keep! You say this information isn't new? Well, it certainly isn't well known. Indeed, I've heard this point being raised in the past and then being just ignored or called conspiracy. No, judge information by whether it is true or not. It doesn't matter where it comes from and whether you like the person or not. Judge people by their honesty and competence....the reason people are paid the big bucks is to get the 'difficult decisions' right. No one should be making important decisions who isn't up to it nor should they require opposition silenced or censored. The public should not be treated like infants and difficult decisions that are near fifty fifty should be honesty presented as such....and much more sensibly in those cases the public individual should be allowed to make their own minds up. It should not require recently retired people of competence to reveal truths to limited audiences. Instead the government employs behavourial scientists to manipulate half truths, omit what they want and coerce a trusting public into the behaviours they want.....All based upon your very dodgey 'ends justifies the means' strategy. When to be frank, the ends are controversial and pushed through via fear mongering. That's a justification for a 'Chinese style' controlled society, not a western one. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2021 6.44pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 21 7.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You say this information isn't new? Well, it certainly isn't well known. Indeed, I've heard this point being raised in the past and then being just ignored or called conspiracy. No, judge information by whether it is true or not. It doesn't matter where it comes from and whether you like the person or not. Judge people by their honesty and competence....the reason people are paid the big bucks is to get the 'difficult decisions' right. No one should be making important decisions who isn't up to it nor should they require opposition silenced or censored. The public should not be treated like infants and difficult decisions that are near fifty fifty should be honesty presented as such....and much more sensibly in those cases the public individual should be allowed to make their own minds up. It should not require recently retired people of competence to reveal truths to limited audiences. Instead the government employs behavourial scientists to manipulate half truths, omit what they want and coerce a trusting public into the behaviours they want.....All based upon your very dodgey 'ends justifies the means' strategy. When to be frank, the ends are controversial and pushed through via fear mongering. That's a justification for a 'Chinese style' controlled society, not a western one. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2021 6.44pm) The impact on other NHS services, including cancer, is well understood and one of the primary reasons why the vaccination programme is regarded as so important. Reduce the number of hospital admissions because of Covid, and you can start to recover the time lost for other treatments. Confusing the issue by relating it to lockdowns is where the error lies. Not that there isn't a problem. There are many NHS concerns and the sooner we reduce the burden on the NHS the better. As a cancer sufferer myself, I understand this only too well. So instead of posting politically motivated videos, I suggest you go and get yourself vaccinated and play your part in overcoming this terrible situation. It would be a much more productive use of your time than trawling through the web looking for videos that lend apparent credence to your biases. Of course, you must judge information on its truth, and not who posts it. I hope you, and everyone else, remembers that when considering what I just wrote. From the tone of your response, it sounds as though you would like the public to vote in a referendum on the best way to handle this. Great idea. Brexit was daft. That would be even dafter. We employ experts. You may not like what they conclude, but that's their job. You are very unlikely to actually know better. I have read some of the other things this lady has said, and it's clear what her political position is. Even in this interview, she was asking heavily loaded questions. She isn't a journalist at all. She is an activist. Trust her at your peril.
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