Mrs May is now telling the EU that she wants 'a shared close relationship'.........

Like being in the EU, but not in the EU?

Not too terrible, not Sunderland.

Not true either, Mrs May desperate for a deal while offering empty words.

Who are the lions in your metaphor?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

How many more new parties are going to be formed? It seems every day I read that a group of disgruntled politicians are been taking soundings. Normally it's supposed to be anti Corbyn Labour MP's.

It is like asking people who is in favour of ice cream? As the SDP found out it looks good until you have to start declaring your policies. Then some of the voters and some of your own politicians say hang on I don't agree with that and it implodes.

The other problem as UKIP found out is that all the good people have been snapped up. You might have a few figure heads but is the chairman of the local Kent party as good as his Labour of Tory opposite number? Perhaps not so you end up with some idiot with very odd ideas.

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Corbyn says he will back a 2nd referendum if that is the wish of party members. I have no problem with this but it is fraught with danger for the Labour party.

Apparently the active Labour supporters overwhelming back this choice so expect later this week a vote in favour. Corbyn of course is a Brexiter although he wont say that out loud.

Labour voters as opposed to party members may not be so keen. Labour will pick up some remainer voters but they probably have the bulk of them already. It is more likely that they will lose some support as their voters will choose to remain at home.

The big question of course is what will this 2nd referendum be about? Is it a re-run of the 2016 question? Is it a vote on the deal / no deal that Mrs May negotiates with the EU. What happens if the people vote against the deal? Does that mean a no deal Brexit? Or does it mean we stay in the EU (Assuming they let us) Or does it mean the government has to go back to the EU to renegotiate and if yes will that deal have to be voted on.

All in all lots of questions.The Tory party are in a right mess at the moment and I think Labour are about to join them.

As for a general election right now it doesn't make sense. Mrs May's immediate problem is with the EU not giving her a deal she wants. Calling a general election does not help that issue. I suspect that there will be a deal but Labour MP's plus Tory Brexiteers will vote it down in the commons. At that point either the Tory party sacks her or she survives in which case I think Mrs May will have no choice but to call an election.

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That would be my view.

However if a general election is called then they are entitled to put forward a new manifesto. If they vote against a "chequers" deal in the commons they can argue they are not voting against Brexit and I would agree as I didn't vote for "chequers". However if they force a vote against Brexit then as you say the voters will see that as a betrayal. In my opinion there are only 2 options leave with a deal or just leave.

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