And yet British Citizens march every Saturday through London demanding that a foreign government stops its actions in Gaza...

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

So what do you suggest that the UK Government does to stop the IDF's actions? What specific actions should we as a nation take?

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

The USA and UK are far more entrenched in Supporting Israel, than even I thought. Check this article today by the BBC
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How can Israeli 'settlers'. Those who've bulldozed Palestinian villages and killed residents and stolen their land, actually be armed with M16 assault rifles ?
An American arm, normally sold to allied military powers,...but ends up in the hands of Israeli 'settlers'.

"Nadav Weiman came with the BBC to the village. He is a former Israeli special forces soldier who is now an activist with Breaking the Silence, a group of former combatants who campaign against Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories. Nadav believes that Jewish settlers, the most militant of whom are known by name to local Palestinians, were once again flouting the law with the police and army.

"They're demolishing Palestinian villages, beating up Palestinian farmers, stealing their olives, trying to open a third front, an eastern front against the Palestinians in the West Bank. Why? Because they want the land without Palestinians."

Two Israeli soldiers came to investigate what we were doing. One of them told an Israeli member of the BBC team that he was a traitor for visiting Palestinians. They filmed us but took much less interest in what had happened in Khirbet Zanuta, a few miles down the road.
Violent attacks, including fatal shootings of Palestinians by armed Jewish settlers in the West Bank have risen sharply. So many attacks are happening that Israel's closest allies, including the United States and the United Kingdom, have condemned violence by extremist settlers and demanded that those guilty of crimes should be prosecuted.

In practice, settlers rarely end up in court and if they do, they can usually expect light sentences.

The settlers are armed and supported by powerful allies in the Israeli government, led by Itamar Ben Gvir, the minister for national security and Bezalel Smotrich, the finance minister who also has security responsibilities in the West Bank.

Controversially, Mr Smotrich just found more than $100 million for the settlers. " (BBC website)

Now do people see how Hamas came to be so popular ? The Palestinians thought they were the only form of protection.

From a human aspect, I find this slaughter and tortuous death committed against this innocent population , sub-human. Sure , go after Hamas, but this isn't what Israel is doing.
And I find it slightly sickening the Western world just watches.

I disengage, I turn the page.

I’d again point to a history of diplomatic action successfully scaling down conflicts - it doesn’t always work of course, but it often does.

As it stands, we are complicit in this - all sides of our political establishment have green lighted Israel’s action.

Yep, I'll say again I'm no friend to Islam or Muslims, who are just as expansionist and chased all other religions from their lands taking their lands as well.

There are no sob or hard luck stories written about it.....these lands became 99 percent Muslim in silence.

However, two wrongs don't make a right. That land is as much Arab as it is Jewish, in fact numerically more so.

Being a European who also values the land of their birth I'll say this.

The land grab and killing of Palestinians has been going on since 47 and has largely been ignored.....In fact the gloves came increasingly off as Jewish influence and power rose in America. As I remember there hasn't been a president that wasn't in hock to the Jewish money lobbies since Carter.

This has shaped their policy towards Israel ever since. They cannot be an honest broker.

What happens in Israel is enabled by America and the Jewish lobbies there.

The Bible says 'money is the root of all evil'.....Whether you believe in religion or not there are many truths spoken within it.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I don't think the Israeli response is proportionate, or even targeted. Somewhere around 20,000 Palestinian civilians killed, 6000 of whom are estimated to be children.
And water, electricity, food and medical supplies have been cut, as well as International Aid that has been stopped from getting to its destinations. 500,000 homes have been estimated to be destroyed. The entire Palestinian population displaced.

America has just voted to block the latest proposed Aid package
for Israel.
Senator Bernie Sanders said of the proposed aid for Israel. "I do not believe we should be appropriating over $10 billion for the right-wing extremist Netanyahu government to continue its current military approach," Mr Sanders said, referring to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's ongoing campaign in the Gaza strip, which has so far killed thousands of civilians.

Mr Sanders, who is a long-time critic of Mr Netanyahu, added: "What the Netanyahu government is doing is immoral, it is in violation of international law, and the United States should not be complicit in those actions."

I disengage, I turn the page.