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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 23 9.06am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Yes, that's what you said. It's not what Biden said. Biden made simple, easy-to-understand, one-liners which got the message across. Not detailed, many paragraph explanations as to the complex reasons why. Which wouldn't be read, or understood by too many. You need to consider the whole context and not extract one thing and see it in isolation. Taking any phrase or sentence out of most things won't provide a sense of its meaning. Those wishing to stick a knife into Biden, or anyone else, like this are doing so for their own motivations and not in any kind of genuine pursuit of the truth.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 23 9.29am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Sleepy joe said that you wont get covid if you have the vaccine. This was a lie an mis-information. Plain and simple and there is no two ways of looking at it. If Boris or Trump had said the same there would have been "fact checkers" and media all over it and they would not let it go. The statements quoted in this thread which apparently were said by Biden were all about transmission. Not about getting infected. Whether they were said in total isolation or within the context of other remarks, either by him or other people, is unknown. What he was doing was very clearly to encourage people to take up the vaccination for the simple and obvious reason that by so doing the chain of transmission would be broken, herd immunity established and the possibility of major loss of life avoided. Any politician with the responsibilities of the POTUS would be expected to do the same. You aren't therefore attacking Biden. You are attacking politics.
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Teddy Eagle  13 Jun 23 9.33am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Biden made simple, easy-to-understand, one-liners which got the message across. Not detailed, many paragraph explanations as to the complex reasons why. Which wouldn't be read, or understood by too many. You need to consider the whole context and not extract one thing and see it in isolation. Taking any phrase or sentence out of most things won't provide a sense of its meaning. Those wishing to stick a knife into Biden, or anyone else, like this are doing so for their own motivations and not in any kind of genuine pursuit of the truth.
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| eaglesdare 13 Jun 23 9.39am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The statements quoted in this thread which apparently were said by Biden were all about transmission. Not about getting infected. Whether they were said in total isolation or within the context of other remarks, either by him or other people, is unknown. What he was doing was very clearly to encourage people to take up the vaccination for the simple and obvious reason that by so doing the chain of transmission would be broken, herd immunity established and the possibility of major loss of life avoided. Any politician with the responsibilities of the POTUS would be expected to do the same. You aren't therefore attacking Biden. You are attacking politics. He made a false statement and provided the public with mis- information. Its as simple as that.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 23 9.44am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
If it was said in a prepared speech it wouldn't be a mistake but a deliberate attempt to convey an important message in a nuanced way. If it was an ad-hoc aside it may have been a slip of the tongue. We all do that. I hope all Americans took it as accurate and were encouraged to get vaccinated. The only problems it could have caused would have been if people started to relax and ignore social distancing etc, but there was plenty of separate messaging about that. This has nothing to do with Trump. If he had still been POTUS I am quite sure he would have been given the same script.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 23 9.49am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
He made a false statement and provided the public with mis- information. Its as simple as that.
As banging my head on a brick wall both hurts and takes time, I won't bother to try to explain again.
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| Teddy Eagle 13 Jun 23 9.50am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If it was said in a prepared speech it wouldn't be a mistake but a deliberate attempt to convey an important message in a nuanced way. If it was an ad-hoc aside it may have been a slip of the tongue. We all do that. I hope all Americans took it as accurate and were encouraged to get vaccinated. The only problems it could have caused would have been if people started to relax and ignore social distancing etc, but there was plenty of separate messaging about that. This has nothing to do with Trump. If he had still been POTUS I am quite sure he would have been given the same script. And that's the genuine pursuit of the truth is it? A truth with which, when expedient, politicians are free to be economical.
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| eaglesdare 13 Jun 23 9.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As banging my head on a brick wall both hurts and takes time, I won't bother to try to explain again.
At the end of the day he made a false and inaccurate claim. Pure and simple.
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| eaglesdare 13 Jun 23 9.56am |
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“if you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die” - Sleepy Joe “you’re not going to get Covid” if you’re vaccinated." - Sleepy Joe False claims. Its as simple as that.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 23 10.36am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And that's the genuine pursuit of the truth is it? A truth with which, when expedient, politicians are free to be economical. You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 23 10.39am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
At the end of the day he made a false and inaccurate claim. Pure and simple. I am not defending Biden. I am explaining political expediency. A distinction I very much doubt you will comprehend.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 23 10.41am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
“if you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit and you’re not going to die” - Sleepy Joe “you’re not going to get Covid” if you’re vaccinated." - Sleepy Joe False claims. Its as simple as that. The first, as a simple message, is broadly true. The second proved not to be, but was probably believed to be true at the time it was made.
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