I wouldn't say that it makes you an anti vaxxer. Just that there may be restrictions with travel and suchlike as result in certain countries, which is true of some other vaccines too.

The Government and SAGE have been very clear that you can spread this virus even if you are vaccinated- are you saying this is not true then?

Already answered:

"The data available so far as we well know, suggests that people are significantly less likely to spread covid once vaccinated. You appear to be taking a very literal interpretation of that and saying on account that it's not impossible to be spread post vaccination that it's pointless getting vaccinated. I don't believe that to be true and have explained why. "

Not everything is all or nothing. I've not ignored the fact that it's possible to pass it on after vaccination at all. In fact I have acknowledged that. You on the other hand have ignored the fact that they are also significantly 'less likely' to do so based on the same data. Which is my point.

Edited by BlueJay (15 May 2021 4.10pm)

Unvaccinated people are more likely to spread the virus, hence others are more likely to contract it, on both an individual basis and very high rates in any area.

You appear to have a very all or nothing was of perceiving things when it suits. The vaccine of course appears to make it 'less likely' that people will get seriously ill, but it's still preferable that we don't have massive outbreaks due to many not doing their bit and the consequences that come from that.

The data does not state that if you are vaccinated you simply 'will not get ill'. It does however make it much less likely that you'll get ill or be hospitalised (which primarily is what matters).

There are situations like the Indian varient and others though, where there are unknowns and so its clearly 'better' to do what you can to slow the spread. Which is why in some areas 'all' adults are being offered the vaccine. You appear to have simply stopped talking about the fact that transmission from unnvacinated people can be a factor that fuels a wider outbreak. I will take that as acknowledge of it as a factor.

Moreover, as stated before, people self declaring that they don't need or want to get vaccinated because they are not at risk gets away from the fact that half of those hospitalised were under 60. In a situation where we have another serious spike I'd rather us not have hospitals filled with people who thought they knew better. For the time it takes, and potential combined benefit of mass vaccination, I think it's a good idea. But as stated people don't have to as long as people realise there may be certain travel restrictions and so on.

The whole conversation spun off from a comment from someone saying that 99% of people shouldn't bother getting vaccinated. I thought that was a foolish thing to say so highlighted it as such.

Edited by BlueJay (15 May 2021 4.43pm)

Supposedly, there's a growing body of evidence to suggest fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit Covid to others.

From a social standpoint there's no reason why the majority follow government and medical guidelines and the minority won't. I certainly wouldn't force anyone to have the vaccination against their will but it's entirely reasonable to say they can't expect full integration into society while so much is unknown.

The answer may be that if most people have made the effort to get vaccinated the unvaccinated minority could put the majority at additional risk?

By all means refuse the vaccine but would it be unreasonable to ask you to paint yourselves orange so we can see you coming and avoid you?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt