We aint detached from reality we accept economic sanctions are gonna ultimately hurt people in these countries but we are stopping their potential to be a threat to west which will make them come to the negotiating table ultimately if you keeping bombing your enemies and allow them to keep developing like obama did eventually they will be able to bomb you. Its not conspiracy its common f***ing sense.

It's not nailed on really (nor is your automatic acceptable of Trump's attack on voting by mail - a stance he only ever took due to more democrats voting by mail rather than genuine concern) but I agree with your second point. It's easy fall into the same echo chamber mentality that we criticise. In that place, everything from a party or movement to oppose is catastrophised beyond belief, and endless benefit of the doubt is offered to those we feel more of an affinity to.

I recall you doing that over Brexit, saying that you ended friendships over it (I'm for Brexit, but taking that tack is unfortunate). I agree that it's social media that's got us here. The comfort of groupthink becomes more important to people than an objective look at the facts and acknowledging common values (which do exist). People are fed a diet of amped up versions of what they agree with, or what pisses them off (both of which keep them engaged on these platform). 'Shared values' of people with otherwise different outlooks don't get clicks so they are dialed down to the point of invisibility. None of it bears any relation to a genuine real life discussion or interaction.

We're all guilty of it to various extents, as I feel you've acknowledged, but we should routinely prod and poke our own thinking as result, rather than shrug our collective shoulders.

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Thats without the extremely republican north so will be interesting looks like Trump will win Florida but Georgia may flip its certainly interesting.

Update
Trump: 2/13
Biden: 6-1

Florida is looking even better for Trump now. No idea if mail in ballots are being counted in all areas, but apparently Trump is doing better with certain demographics

"Trump is doing way better than '16 in Hispanic and Cuban areas, and better in Black areas. Biden is doing better in older, white areas, but not by as much. "

Big if true looks like Georgia is going to stay red early leads in certain states expected by biden not looking so good in swing states so its close.

Florida staying red New York times needle says Georgia North Carolina staying red also michigan going unexpectedly well for Trump. Texas close Virginia also surprising tilting red Trump surprisingly doing better so far then I thought lead growing in Ohio also.