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ChrisGC Wantage 06 May 19 11.25am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I think you might need new specs. Kouyate is the only central player apart from Meyer who runs forward with the ball. He drives at the opposition which draws players towards him, yet we ignore this use and play 3-4 sideways passing central midfielders but then don’t allow full backs to overlap. Are you catching on yet? Well said.
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Tickled pink Cornwall 06 May 19 11.29am | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Hodgson plays the same tactical formation despite and irrespective of, the quality of the opposition. He did the same whilst England manager. Basically it's a park the bus scenario which cedes the midfield to the opposition and hopes to effectively work on the break. Lets see what happens when he is allowed to bring in a couple of players OK, then I'll agree with you if with a more competent midfield set up we play exactly the same because I see our midfield apart from two possibly are well below what we need to hurt teams at home with the sort of football you want to see. Hodgson did well with England, you are falling into that hole about thinking the players were actually better then they actually were.
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Tickled pink Cornwall 06 May 19 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Well said. ..is going to! the problem is he will look a lot better because the players around will be a lot better, I didn't say he doesn't have talent and wont improve ..put him into Wolves for example now and he will still look lost though, needs more experience.
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ChrisGC Wantage 06 May 19 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
..is going to! the problem is he will look a lot better because the players around will be a lot better, I didn't say he doesn't have talent and wont improve ..put him into Wolves for example now and he will still look lost though, needs more experience. Yeah, he's no Jason Puncheon....
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 May 19 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
Lets see what happens when he is allowed to bring in a couple of players OK, then I'll agree with you if with a more competent midfield set up we play exactly the same because I see our midfield apart from two possibly are well below what we need to hurt teams at home with the sort of football you want to see. Hodgson did well with England, you are falling into that hole about thinking the players were actually better then they actually were. I don’t want to divert this thread because this has happened on this subject before, but, Hodgson beat all the cr@ppy countries in qualifiers and then when it came to anyone half decent, or Iceland ffs, not a flaming clue. Kane at corners LAUGH OUT LOUD. Hodgson is not a big team manager but he’s a safe pair of hands for our size. But please don’t fool yourself he’s maximising our chances of cup or attractiveness progress if you like. Same tactics all the time. At first we thought it was because he had no choice. Wrong. No subs or in game management vs the opposition and their manager. I accept Roy as manager but it isn’t progressive, entertaining or something you look forward to. It’s a chore during a time we need to stay in the league to get the stand done, but if it isn’t done it’ll seem like a waste all round.
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cpj Kent 06 May 19 12.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
Lets see what happens when he is allowed to bring in a couple of players OK, then I'll agree with you if with a more competent midfield set up we play exactly the same because I see our midfield apart from two possibly are well below what we need to hurt teams at home with the sort of football you want to see. Hodgson did well with England, you are falling into that hole about thinking the players were actually better then they actually were. He's had 3 transfer windows already and the signings have been less than inspired.
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est1905 06 May 19 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by cpj
He's had 3 transfer windows already and the signings have been less than inspired. I do get the feeling that often (maybe not always) players are identified by people other than Roy and are bought in and Roy just works with them on the training ground and picks where and how he wants them to play.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 06 May 19 1.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I don’t want to divert this thread because this has happened on this subject before, but, Hodgson beat all the cr@ppy countries in qualifiers and then when it came to anyone half decent, or Iceland ffs, not a flaming clue. Kane at corners LAUGH OUT LOUD. Hodgson is not a big team manager but he’s a safe pair of hands for our size. But please don’t fool yourself he’s maximising our chances of cup or attractiveness progress if you like. Same tactics all the time. At first we thought it was because he had no choice. Wrong. No subs or in game management vs the opposition and their manager. I accept Roy as manager but it isn’t progressive, entertaining or something you look forward to. It’s a chore during a time we need to stay in the league to get the stand done, but if it isn’t done it’ll seem like a waste all round. I think you could take the stadium redevelopment out of the equation. With or without that, the first priority is to stay in the Premier League. And Hodgson is a safe pair of hands in that respect. While I am pro-Roy, I do accept some of the criticism levelled at him. But if I was a CEO and major shareholder in a multi million pound business then I would want to work with people I trust and have confidence in. And that is the SP/RH relationship.
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MonsterMunch Cambridge 06 May 19 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I think you could take the stadium redevelopment out of the equation. With or without that, the first priority is to stay in the Premier League. And Hodgson is a safe pair of hands in that respect. While I am pro-Roy, I do accept some of the criticism levelled at him. But if I was a CEO and major shareholder in a multi million pound business then I would want to work with people I trust and have confidence in. And that is the SP/RH relationship. Pretty much yeah
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Tickled pink Cornwall 06 May 19 11.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I don’t want to divert this thread because this has happened on this subject before, but, Hodgson beat all the cr@ppy countries in qualifiers and then when it came to anyone half decent, or Iceland ffs, not a flaming clue. Kane at corners LAUGH OUT LOUD. Hodgson is not a big team manager but he’s a safe pair of hands for our size. But please don’t fool yourself he’s maximising our chances of cup or attractiveness progress if you like. Same tactics all the time. At first we thought it was because he had no choice. Wrong. No subs or in game management vs the opposition and their manager. I accept Roy as manager but it isn’t progressive, entertaining or something you look forward to. It’s a chore during a time we need to stay in the league to get the stand done, but if it isn’t done it’ll seem like a waste all round. I agree with that. Fans that go to away games will not agree, but to be successful in this league with the standard of players we can afford some of the games will definitely not be attractive, sadly well too many at home. Roy like Alan Curbishley is a safe pair of hands for our club. Edited by Tickled pink (06 May 2019 11.07pm)
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 07 May 19 10.42pm | |
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Some poor moments at home this season but to add some context to the “negative” football; Palace 0 Southampton 2 BBC MOM Alex MaCarthy Personally prefer we play badly and get a result but nonetheless think some of football has been better than suggested.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 08 May 19 12.44am | |
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Like Willo says Originally posted by Willo
Losing to Brighton twice and have some of their supporters crowing about it is somewhat galling. Edited by Willo (06 May 2019 9.18am)
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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