Yes it does.

The very reason that such a small percent out of 100 actually die from these viruses is precisely because our immune systems can pick out patterns that they have been trained in before (except in the case of children with this virus which is a whole different reason).....A healthy immune system is remarkably resilient because it has to be as practically all environments are a hotbed of germs, which is the natural order of things.

Apparently there are indeed plenty of people within the medical profession who do indeed think this is over-reaction and scare mongering....even the doctor in SA who found it said this is an over-reaction

I have no issues with 'wait and see'....but that hasn't been done. Apparently Denise Welch is being contacted by medical staff who think it's an over-reaction as well....here is a discussion on loose women where she says that.

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5:16 on the video if you don't want to hear the other parts of the covid enforcement debate.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2021 6.20pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Eleven European Countries out of 31 (35.4%) have mandatory vaccinations for at least one out of diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis B, poliovirus, Haemophilus influenzae type b, measles, mumps, rubella and varicella vaccine.

Latvia has ten mandatory vaccines in childhood as well as Italy. Some countries (Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, France, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia) have as many as nine vaccines which are compulsory among children.

I haven't noticed you waving a placard in the past regarding any of these which makes me wonder if you are reacting to the Covid situation differently for some reason. Maybe you have been 'influenced'.

It is also interesting that many of the above list have such problems with the Covid vaccine due to a lack of trust. Could misinformation, disinformation or malinformation have been issued by any chance and, if so, in whose interests might that be? A clue may be that many of these countries were previously within the Soviet 'sphere of influence'.

Some people just get sucked into being a Kremlin mouthpiece it seems.

Oh I see....if I haven't kept track of what is mandatory vaccines for children in EU countries and no doubt other countries and have objected to it....then my objection to mandatory vaccines for children for covid is hypocritical.

Seriously Maple? This is your point?

I haven't gone through all the aliments but I'm pretty sure that all of those are highly dangerous to children and being children they are too young to make choices from competing arguments.

But apparently this is directly relatable to me objecting to a virus that kills less children than the flu.....which we weren't vaccinating children against previously.

Apparently the mainstream mouthpiece for elites thinks I'm listening to Kremlin fronted mouthpieces.

Do you have your tin hat on Maple?

Is everyone who thinks differently to you on covid all inspired by our shirtless bear wrestling friend?

What specifically have these Kremlin mouthpieces been saying that I've expressed support for?

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2021 7.43pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Here is an idea for you Stirling

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I think you would argue black was blue, rather than admit you are wrong. This is from the government's website:-

"Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that cause respiratory infections. These can range from the common cold to more serious diseases.

COVID-19 is caused by a new form of coronavirus known as SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). It was first reported in December 2019."

Kindly note the use of the word "new"! As I said, it is part of a family, but it is a new member. Of course, our immune system has some capacity to respond to a relative of the common cold but, as can be clearly seen, it cannot deal with it in all cases.

I know full well that there are a few clinicians who remain sceptical, but there are many more charlatans. The overwhelming view of those on the front line is that the problem remains real and the solution obvious.

The doctor in SA was reacting to the probable over-reaction to the Omicron variant. We are just though being ultra cautious. Go hard, go early now being the received wisdom.

I wondered if the video you linked deals with this too and, of course, it does. People are fully entitled to the view that we are reacting too much to the threat of the new variant, and I can easily believe that includes doctors. They don't though have to take the decisions, so I can understand why over caution has been applied until a better understanding is gained. It's easy to relax things but impossible to go back and apply harder measures that would have saved lives, if experience shows they were needed.

None of this has anything at all to do with what I have been arguing. I am not addressing the Omicron, or any other particular variant. I am addressing the overall pandemic and our response to it. Vaccinations protect, to a greater or lesser degree, against all the variants, which were an anticipated phenomenon. Mask wearing protects against the transmission. Those who fail to cooperate are letting everyone else down. Not only that, they are sowing the kind of confusion shown in that video.

Wait and see was, and is, not an option when what we know will be seen is a massive number of dead people.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You aren't just arguing with me, you are arguing with the government scientists. See my previous post.

I didn't say "There has never been a virus that we are yet aware of that defeated every single human immune system". You did.

I said, "No immune system on earth exists which can predictably cope with a heavy dose of an infection unknown to it"!

Now see if you can see the difference. I am quite sure others can. Clue. Consider what predictably means.

C19 was unknown. How our immune systems respond to it is unpredictable, even if generally the younger do better and the older and vulnerable do worse. Some people will always survive. It's not them we should worry about. It's those who could, who don't.

Of course, we are evolving. It's an argument I have made in other contexts, which you have tried to reject. Our immune systems are no different, but that means nothing when faced with a sudden challenge from a novel new virus like C19. You are though correct to be concerned about the impact of modern medicines on that development, but it's a tradeoff that weighs heavily in the medicines favour from all I can see. Vaccines though help immune systems.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.