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becky over the moon 12 Jun 23 8.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Thank you Becky. Hmm... technically, the covid injection is not a vaccination - it's a shot of MRna which is entirely different from the previously used bacterial vaccinations.
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Teddy Eagle 12 Jun 23 8.46pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
Hmm... technically, the covid injection is not a vaccination - it's a shot of MRna which is entirely different from the previously used bacterial vaccinations.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jun 23 10.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What? I have to quote your exact words or I'm lying? That's ridiculous. What I said is the truth of what you said. You're the hypocrite and liar old bean not me. I taught computing science, you're the marketer creating 'impressions' not me. Anyway I'm going to be very busy over these next three days and won't be on here, so you will get to carry on your weird mental illness on these boards without me. What you said was "From the guy who tells you to look beyond his left wing or neoliberal sources.". No amount of wriggling can change a fact. I never told anyone to do that. It's just your usual twisted logic making statements that aren't true. It's a lie. No amount of smoke can disguise that. You persistently express your opinions about me as though they are facts but get very upset whenever anyone suggests you hold far-right opinions and insist you are a social conservative. The only hypocrite here is you.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jun 23 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Do vaccines usually stop transmission? Stop every one, no. Break the chain by reducing symptoms so that they lessen and then stop, yes. Over time and provided sufficient people accept the vaccine.
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Teddy Eagle 12 Jun 23 11.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Stop every one, no. Break the chain by reducing symptoms so that they lessen and then stop, yes. Over time and provided sufficient people accept the vaccine. That's what Biden said. He just used totally different words.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jun 23 11.07pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
No, that's why mass vaccination is usual so that everyone gets protection. i.e. polio, TB, Rubella et al. Edited by becky (12 Jun 2023 6.54pm) I put Teddy's question to ChatGTP. This was the response:- Vaccines can play a significant role in reducing the transmission of infectious diseases, although the extent of their impact on transmission can vary depending on several factors. Here are some key points to consider: Vaccine effectiveness: Vaccines are primarily designed to prevent disease and reduce the severity of symptoms in vaccinated individuals. When vaccines are highly effective in preventing symptomatic illness, it is likely that they also reduce the likelihood of viral transmission. By reducing the number of individuals who become ill, vaccines indirectly lower the potential for the virus to spread. Asymptomatic and mild cases: Vaccinated individuals who do become infected with a virus may experience milder or even asymptomatic cases. While they may still be capable of transmitting the virus to others, the viral load in vaccinated individuals is often lower compared to unvaccinated individuals, reducing the risk and duration of transmission. Herd immunity: Vaccination plays a crucial role in achieving herd immunity, which occurs when a significant proportion of the population is immune to a particular disease. When enough people are vaccinated, it creates a buffer of protection within the community, making it more challenging for the virus to spread and protecting vulnerable populations who may not be able to receive the vaccine. Variants and evolving research: The effectiveness of vaccines in preventing transmission can be influenced by the emergence of new variants of the virus. Some variants may have mutations that affect the vaccine's ability to neutralize the virus or prevent transmission. Ongoing research and surveillance help inform our understanding of how vaccines perform against different variants and their impact on transmission. It is important to note that no vaccine provides 100% protection, and breakthrough infections can still occur in vaccinated individuals. Additionally, the level of vaccine coverage in a population, adherence to public health measures, and the specific characteristics of the virus can all impact transmission rates. While vaccines are a crucial tool in controlling the spread of infectious diseases, other measures such as testing, contact tracing, mask-wearing, and maintaining good hygiene practices remain important in preventing transmission, particularly during outbreaks or in areas with low vaccine coverage.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jun 23 11.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Thank you Becky. Of course, he did. He was passing on the best advice available at the time. Unless it was known that the vaccines would not have an impact on transmission, which was certainly not known, then there was every reason to anticipate that they would eventually establish herd immunity and end the pandemic. The variants made that tougher. Read the explanation in my previous post.
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Teddy Eagle 12 Jun 23 11.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, he did. He was passing on the best advice available at the time. Unless it was known that the vaccines would not have an impact on transmission, which was certainly not known, then there was every reason to anticipate that they would eventually establish herd immunity and end the pandemic. The variants made that tougher. Read the explanation in my previous post. The explanation that said vaccination can't stop transmission after Biden said it could?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jun 23 11.24pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
Hmm... technically, the covid injection is not a vaccination - it's a shot of MRna which is entirely different from the previously used bacterial vaccinations. Sorry, that's untrue. The ChatGTP again:- Not all COVID-19 vaccines are mRNA-based. While mRNA vaccines have received significant attention and have been highly effective, other types of vaccines have also been developed and authorized for use against COVID-19. Here are the main types of COVID-19 vaccines: mRNA vaccines: Vaccines such as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are based on mRNA (messenger RNA) technology. They deliver a small piece of genetic material (mRNA) that instructs cells to produce a harmless protein found on the surface of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. This protein triggers an immune response, training the body to recognize and fight the virus. Viral vector vaccines: Vaccines like the Oxford-AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, and Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccines use viral vector technology. They employ a harmless virus (not the coronavirus causing COVID-19) as a vector to deliver a modified genetic material that codes for the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2. This spike protein then triggers an immune response. Protein subunit vaccines: Some COVID-19 vaccines, such as the Novavax vaccine, utilize protein subunit technology. They contain harmless pieces of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, typically the spike protein, which prompts an immune response. These vaccines do not contain the whole virus. Inactivated or killed virus vaccines: Certain COVID-19 vaccines, such as the Sinovac and Bharat Biotech vaccines, use inactivated or killed versions of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. These vaccines cannot cause the disease but can still elicit an immune response. Each of these vaccine types has undergone rigorous testing to ensure safety and efficacy. They have been authorized for emergency use or approved by regulatory agencies based on their ability to protect against COVID-19 and reduce the severity of the disease. And now specifically on whether the mRNA injection is actually a vaccine. It is, because it triggers an immune response. Just via a different mechanism:- mRNA vaccines, such as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, are considered vaccines. They are a type of vaccine that uses messenger RNA (mRNA) technology to stimulate an immune response against a specific virus or pathogen. mRNA vaccines work by introducing a small piece of genetic material called mRNA into the body. This mRNA contains the instructions for cells to produce a harmless piece of the target virus, usually a viral protein like the spike protein found on the surface of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19. Once the mRNA is taken up by cells, they use the instructions to produce the viral protein. The immune system recognizes this protein as foreign and mounts an immune response against it, including the production of antibodies and activation of T cells. By training the immune system to recognize and respond to the viral protein, mRNA vaccines prepare the body to fight off the actual virus if a person later becomes infected. This can help prevent the development of severe illness or reduce the chances of infection altogether. So, while mRNA vaccines do not contain the whole virus itself, they are still considered vaccines because they stimulate an immune response to protect against a specific pathogen—in this case, the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for COVID-19.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jun 23 11.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The explanation that said vaccination can't stop transmission after Biden said it could?
They don't stop anyone vaccinated from being capable of transmitting. They reduce their capacity to infect so that via a collective effort the community stops the transmissions.
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Teddy Eagle 12 Jun 23 11.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They don't stop anyone vaccinated from being capable of transmitting. They reduce their capacity to infect so that via a collective effort the community stops the transmissions. Yes, that's what you said. It's not what Biden said.
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eaglesdare 13 Jun 23 8.48am | |
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Sleepy joe said that you wont get covid if you have the vaccine. This was a lie an mis-information. Plain and simple and there is no two ways of looking at it. If Boris or Trump had said the same there would have been "fact checkers" and media all over it and they would not let it go.
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