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DanH SW2 27 Jul 18 3.03pm
Probably worth a thread in its own but do you not all think it’s mental how much hypocrisy there is from both the left and right on certain positions? Matov is spot on about the left not fully acknowledging a lot of how backwards Islam is as a religion but then the right are so obsessed with immigration that they don’t see how putting up all these barriers to actually do business with other countries and that globalisation is just an inevitability with technology and economics in finding the cheapest way to do things and that’s just how markets work This is why I get annoyed about people trying to put a label on what people are and aren’t politically. It’s way more complex than that.
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SW2 27 Jul 18 3.03pm

Probably worth a thread in its own but do you not all think it’s mental how much hypocrisy there is from both the left and right on certain positions? Matov is spot on about the left not fully acknowledging a lot of how backwards Islam is as a religion but then the right are so obsessed with immigration that they don’t see how putting up all these barriers to actually do business with other countries and that globalisation is just an inevitability with technology and economics in finding the cheapest way to do things and that’s just how markets work

This is why I get annoyed about people trying to put a label on what people are and aren’t politically. It’s way more complex than that.

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Stirlingsays 27 Jul 18 3.04pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Can you give examples? Easily.....Here's just a few without even really thinking about it. The idea, supported by the left, that traditional families are examples of patriarchy and misogyny. The idea, supported by the left, that gender is a social construct. The idea, supported by the left, that abolition is only a female's right. The idea, supported by the left, that masculinity is 'toxic'. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 3.05pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jul 18 3.04pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Can you give examples?

Easily.....Here's just a few without even really thinking about it.

The idea, supported by the left, that traditional families are examples of patriarchy and misogyny.

The idea, supported by the left, that gender is a social construct.

The idea, supported by the left, that abolition is only a female's right.

The idea, supported by the left, that masculinity is 'toxic'.

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Stirlingsays 27 Jul 18 3.12pm
Originally posted by DanH Probably worth a thread in its own but do you not all think it’s mental how much hypocrisy there is from both the left and right on certain positions? Matov is spot on about the left not fully acknowledging a lot of how backwards Islam is as a religion but then the right are so obsessed with immigration that they don’t see how putting up all these barriers to actually do business with other countries and that globalisation is just an inevitability with technology and economics in finding the cheapest way to do things and that’s just how markets work This is why I get annoyed about people trying to put a label on what people are and aren’t politically. It’s way more complex than that. Japan, China, Korea and indeed, several eastern European countries have shown that the contention that globalisation needs to mean an acceptance of increasing immigration is false. Japan for example has a higher GDP than the UK and completely rejects external citizenship while still being a massive trading nation. Accepting long term significant immigration means the inevitability of losing the cultural ownership of your own country. Demographics are destiny. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 3.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jul 18 3.12pm

Originally posted by DanH

Probably worth a thread in its own but do you not all think it’s mental how much hypocrisy there is from both the left and right on certain positions? Matov is spot on about the left not fully acknowledging a lot of how backwards Islam is as a religion but then the right are so obsessed with immigration that they don’t see how putting up all these barriers to actually do business with other countries and that globalisation is just an inevitability with technology and economics in finding the cheapest way to do things and that’s just how markets work

This is why I get annoyed about people trying to put a label on what people are and aren’t politically. It’s way more complex than that.

Japan, China, Korea and indeed, several eastern European countries have shown that the contention that globalisation needs to mean an acceptance of increasing immigration is false.

Japan for example has a higher GDP than the UK and completely rejects external citizenship while still being a massive trading nation.

Accepting long term significant immigration means the inevitability of losing the cultural ownership of your own country.

Demographics are destiny.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 3.18pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Jul 18 3.22pm
Originally posted by DanH Probably worth a thread in its own but do you not all think it’s mental how much hypocrisy there is from both the left and right on certain positions? Matov is spot on about the left not fully acknowledging a lot of how backwards Islam is as a religion but then the right are so obsessed with immigration that they don’t see how putting up all these barriers to actually do business with other countries and that globalisation is just an inevitability with technology and economics in finding the cheapest way to do things and that’s just how markets work This is why I get annoyed about people trying to put a label on what people are and aren’t politically. It’s way more complex than that. Very much agree with your point about hypocrisy on both sides - Matov's posts generally summarise a lot of the issues I recognise within the left. These messageboards are a prime example of what you describe in your last paragraph.
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Originally posted by DanH

This is why I get annoyed about people trying to put a label on what people are and aren’t politically. It’s way more complex than that.

Very much agree with your point about hypocrisy on both sides - Matov's posts generally summarise a lot of the issues I recognise within the left.

These messageboards are a prime example of what you describe in your last paragraph.

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elgrande bedford 27 Jul 18 5.41pm
Some very good and reasonable posts on here today. I identify myself as ( and I think it was Stirling that said it).I class myself as a "red Tory". always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 27 Jul 18 5.41pm

Some very good and reasonable posts on here today.

I identify myself as ( and I think it was Stirling that said it).I class myself as a "red Tory".

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Oliver Bodega Bay 27 Jul 18 5.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The reporting ban is nonsense and there for the state's agenda of suppressing public information and exposure to the extent of the problem...... and the guilty point been answered multiple times. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 12.10pm) The reporting point ban point has been answered multiple times for which there for a reason which has absolutely nothing to do with the suppression of information. He pleaded guilty and he's a man that is no stranger to prison and the law. I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.
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Bodega Bay 27 Jul 18 5.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The reporting ban is nonsense and there for the state's agenda of suppressing public information and exposure to the extent of the problem...... and the guilty point been answered multiple times.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 12.10pm)

The reporting point ban point has been answered multiple times for which there for a reason which has absolutely nothing to do with the suppression of information.

He pleaded guilty and he's a man that is no stranger to prison and the law.

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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Stirlingsays 27 Jul 18 9.19pm
Originally posted by Oliver The reporting point ban point has been answered multiple times for which there for a reason which has absolutely nothing to do with the suppression of information. He pleaded guilty and he's a man that is no stranger to prison and the law. The reporting ban point has been shown for what it is arbitrary and hence political. I'll again repeat. The information about this case for which Robinson was imprisoned was already in the public domain. What did the state do about the other media outlets who released this information?.....I can tell you what. Nothing. No suspended sentence......The state makes an interpretation on a law....it doesn't enforce many laws against many people for blindingly obvious reasons......This prosecution and sentence in this case was political and the Robinson haters don't care about it because they are tribal first and have concerns about the law second. So anyone saying the reporting ban point was answered satisfactory isn't being accurate. All that happened on this thread was the left gave us the official BS and the rest of us highlighted just why it's BS. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 9.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jul 18 9.19pm

Originally posted by Oliver

The reporting point ban point has been answered multiple times for which there for a reason which has absolutely nothing to do with the suppression of information.

He pleaded guilty and he's a man that is no stranger to prison and the law.

The reporting ban point has been shown for what it is arbitrary and hence political.

I'll again repeat. The information about this case for which Robinson was imprisoned was already in the public domain.

What did the state do about the other media outlets who released this information?.....I can tell you what. Nothing. No suspended sentence......The state makes an interpretation on a law....it doesn't enforce many laws against many people for blindingly obvious reasons......This prosecution and sentence in this case was political and the Robinson haters don't care about it because they are tribal first and have concerns about the law second.

So anyone saying the reporting ban point was answered satisfactory isn't being accurate. All that happened on this thread was the left gave us the official BS and the rest of us highlighted just why it's BS.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 9.21pm)

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Stirlingsays 27 Jul 18 9.39pm
Originally posted by elgrande Some very good and reasonable posts on here today. I identify myself as ( and I think it was Stirling that said it).I class myself as a "red Tory". Having signed up to Ukip membership due to the Tory's party's negotiation on Brexit and its embrace of feminism and social justice I don't use the word 'Tory' anymore. But I'm certainly 'red' in the sense that I believe that parliament should always be looking to raise all boats. Housing would never have been allowed to reach its negligent and frankly criminal state if someone who actually cared about the working class had been in.....And no...I don't think being left today means you care about the working class....Like Orwell said, the left don't like the working class they just hate the rich. A state which had principles towards its citizens/subjects wouldn't have allowed situations like today's housing market to develop. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 10.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jul 18 9.39pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Some very good and reasonable posts on here today.

I identify myself as ( and I think it was Stirling that said it).I class myself as a "red Tory".

Having signed up to Ukip membership due to the Tory's party's negotiation on Brexit and its embrace of feminism and social justice I don't use the word 'Tory' anymore.

But I'm certainly 'red' in the sense that I believe that parliament should always be looking to raise all boats. Housing would never have been allowed to reach its negligent and frankly criminal state if someone who actually cared about the working class had been in.....And no...I don't think being left today means you care about the working class....Like Orwell said, the left don't like the working class they just hate the rich.

A state which had principles towards its citizens/subjects wouldn't have allowed situations like today's housing market to develop.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 10.28pm)

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Stirlingsays 27 Jul 18 10.25pm
Sargon details here just how far gone the British and wider western Police are today. [Link] The end clip is a warning from Hitchens...words that if they could be said now would be from beyond the grave but which almost exactly describe how it has gone here. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 10.56pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jul 18 10.25pm

Sargon details here just how far gone the British and wider western Police are today.

[Link]

The end clip is a warning from Hitchens...words that if they could be said now would be from beyond the grave but which almost exactly describe how it has gone here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 10.56pm)

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Stirlingsays 28 Jul 18 3.00am
The Police as an effective institution that wasn't scared of minority groups was destroyed by the McPherson report. Lawrence's murder was terrible as is any other murder and deserved the seriousness and due dilligence that a professional investigation should give. Instead there was incompetence showed in the investigation and that deserves criticsm. However, the report itself was dripping with lefty BS about 'institutional' racism which was accepted as fact....even though today the 'implicit bias' industry is subject to much criticism.....Anyway the recommendations from that report have had poor consequences both for Policing in general and even for the law abiding within minority communities. It has produced a scared Police force with management that is desperate to appease minority communities.....whose activists will cry racism at the drop of a hat. People talk about the left being inappropriately labeled and blamed.....I'm sorry, this is all their doing. But I will say, that the modern conservative party have completely surrendered to these narratives and deserves all the same criticism. Reports like McPherson have a large legacy in the thousands and thousands of raped mostly working class white girls and some sikh girls. They produced the fear in the institutions. No one is prepared to risk being called a racist and lose their job.....I'll tell you something....that's not the fault of people like me. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2018 3.02am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Jul 18 3.00am

The Police as an effective institution that wasn't scared of minority groups was destroyed by the McPherson report.

Lawrence's murder was terrible as is any other murder and deserved the seriousness and due dilligence that a professional investigation should give. Instead there was incompetence showed in the investigation and that deserves criticsm.

However, the report itself was dripping with lefty BS about 'institutional' racism which was accepted as fact....even though today the 'implicit bias' industry is subject to much criticism.....Anyway the recommendations from that report have had poor consequences both for Policing in general and even for the law abiding within minority communities. It has produced a scared Police force with management that is desperate to appease minority communities.....whose activists will cry racism at the drop of a hat.

People talk about the left being inappropriately labeled and blamed.....I'm sorry, this is all their doing. But I will say, that the modern conservative party have completely surrendered to these narratives and deserves all the same criticism.

Reports like McPherson have a large legacy in the thousands and thousands of raped mostly working class white girls and some sikh girls.

They produced the fear in the institutions. No one is prepared to risk being called a racist and lose their job.....I'll tell you something....that's not the fault of people like me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2018 3.02am)

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cryrst The garden of England 28 Jul 18 8.36am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The Police as an effective institution that wasn't scared of minority groups was destroyed by the McPherson report. Lawrence's murder was terrible as is any other murder and deserved the seriousness and due dilligence that a professional investigation should give. Instead there was incompetence showed in the investigation and that deserves criticsm. However, the report itself was dripping with lefty BS about 'institutional' racism which was accepted as fact....even though today the 'implicit bias' industry is subject to much criticism.....Anyway the recommendations from that report have had poor consequences both for Policing in general and even for the law abiding within minority communities. It has produced a scared Police force with management that is desperate to appease minority communities.....whose activists will cry racism at the drop of a hat. People talk about the left being inappropriately labeled and blamed.....I'm sorry, this is all their doing. But I will say, that the modern conservative party have completely surrendered to these narratives and deserves all the same criticism. Reports like McPherson have a large legacy in the thousands and thousands of raped mostly working class white girls and some sikh girls. They produced the fear in the institutions. No one is prepared to risk being called a racist and lose their job.....I'll tell you something....that's not the fault of people like me. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2018 3.02am) The irony in the situation is that even non indigenous whites are pissed off with the situation around the race card. I reckon I would even say most are in this bracket. Whites being eyed up as racists and ethnics being eyed up as card players. Sad at the moment I must say.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The Police as an effective institution that wasn't scared of minority groups was destroyed by the McPherson report.

Reports like McPherson have a large legacy in the thousands and thousands of raped mostly working class white girls and some sikh girls.

They produced the fear in the institutions. No one is prepared to risk being called a racist and lose their job.....I'll tell you something....that's not the fault of people like me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2018 3.02am)

The irony in the situation is that even non indigenous whites are pissed off with the situation around the race card. I reckon I would even say most are in this bracket. Whites being eyed up as racists and ethnics being eyed up as card players.
Sad at the moment I must say.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 28 Jul 18 9.45am
There has been an explicit attempt to 'make an example ' of Tommy. A man who accepts multiculturalism , gays, LGBT, moderate-islam, people of colour etc but would not accept organised paedophilia nor it's cover-up. he got labelled 'far right' and crucified. Far right does include : holocaust denial, anti-semitism, homophobia, militarism, eugenics etc....none of which is Tommy. Edited by PalazioVecchio (28 Jul 2018 11.39am) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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There has been an explicit attempt to 'make an example ' of Tommy. A man who accepts multiculturalism , gays, LGBT, moderate-islam, people of colour etc but would not accept organised paedophilia nor it's cover-up.

he got labelled 'far right' and crucified.

Far right does include :
holocaust denial, anti-semitism, homophobia, militarism, eugenics etc....none of which is Tommy.

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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