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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 May 16 3.56pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
What makes you think it will be any different after an out vote? Initially, you will be delighted as we lift the drawbridge and issue in a period of wage led inflation coupled with economic decline and political instability. Still, there will be no greasy foreigners cluttering up our doctor's surgeries or taking our women and jobs etc. I also think it hilarious that people think: UK big economy = strong bargaining power to renegotiate trade deals. Actually it is one isolated medium weight country v massive trading block. Trust me, they will dictate every term. On this, when we finally manage to secure a deal [and we will not survive without one], the EU will have dictated at least one caveat on which they show no sign of budging: free movement to EU citizens. You only have to look at Switzerland, one of those countries who outers cite as how it can be done. In fact, they spent years negotiating deals with the EU. They had to. And one of the conditions imposed on them was free movement. What makes you think it will be any different for us? So, the Swiss had a referendum and elected to limit EU citizen entry. Cue stringent retaliation from the EU which has only just started to punish little Switzerland. No, after our happy honeymoon of xenophobia, the EU will impose tough conditions on any trade deal which will likely involve us having to pay significant sums to the EU [perhaps more than we do now?]; obey many EU directives [like those other heroes of independence Norway have to]; and accept free movement [like Switzerland]. And this will all be offered and accepted by little England on a take it or leave it basis. So, by all means, vote for international isolation and ultimate humiliation. However, remember - those pesky Latvians et al may be cleared out of your wife's work for now; but they will be back, assuming of course that her employers do not go bust in the interim period. In other words, give in to bullying. Good job we didn't in 1939, eh?
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DivingIsNotGood se25 27 May 16 4.49pm | |
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Question, it's mainly older and middle aged folk that want OUT with the younger generation likely to vote IN. How is it then that the vote IN scaremonger tactics is to say if we leave house prices are likely to drop dramatically. Surely this would attract younger voters to vote OUT as they are desperate for house prices to drop. Is Cameron shooting himself in the foot with this house price crash scare tactic?
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JL85 London,SE9 27 May 16 4.52pm | |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
Question, it's mainly older and middle aged folk that want OUT with the younger generation likely to vote IN. Surely this would attract younger voters to vote OUT as they are desperate for house prices to drop. Is Cameron shooting himself in the foot with this house price crash scare tactic? Based on what?
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DivingIsNotGood se25 27 May 16 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by JL85
Based on what? Polls [Link] and IMF warnings [Link] u30's housing struggles [Link] Edited by DivingIsNotGood (27 May 2016 5.00pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 May 16 5.40pm | |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
Question, it's mainly older and middle aged folk that want OUT with the younger generation likely to vote IN. How is it then that the vote IN scaremonger tactics is to say if we leave house prices are likely to drop dramatically. Surely this would attract younger voters to vote OUT as they are desperate for house prices to drop. Is Cameron shooting himself in the foot with this house price crash scare tactic? I get the feeling when the tv reporters ask young 'inners', they have dreams of living abroad but many never will. They just like the idea they can. A few years down the line they'll be complainers but never following through their intentions like so many. They never actually interview any youngsters that want out, unless they get onto QT. There was a young leftie last night who intends to vote out but hopes Labour get in to open the borders for unlimited immigration. That's his prerogative but I doubt most youngsters want in. There'll be plenty who agree with parents or who work in trades where they know immigration has driven down wages. Voter turn out will be a big factor. Write off lots of students. They won't be registered at home and won't travel or pay huge fairs to go back to uni towns to vote.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 May 16 6.17pm | |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
Lastly Rudi...you may have a maverick attitude towards betting and risk and say it will be worth us going through 2.5 years of smaller growth for the longer term gain. I say that this gamble is simply not worth taking and will cause considerable damage to our NHS (affecting the quality of life of millions), pensions (old people), schools (kids) and welfare (the poor and disabled)....not to mention £4,300 for every household,....these may be taken for granted by some but are simply not things to be gambled with IMO. That's the spirit. Stifle entrepreneurial enterprises and high employment SME's for bigger business and the share holder model. Again, that £4,300 figure is pulled out of the air. Paul Hilton who was Cameron's strategy director has said that these figures are plucked out of the air like fluff floating past your nose. And sure I respect all the major financial bodies and institutions with their data. They're always bang on the money with every downturn and recession and never revise their analysis sending indices or bond markets moving in vertical lines within seconds during a UK BofE Governor or President of ECB conference, which is what you refer to with 'hanging on every word.' So, they're allowed to change their forecast or view from month to month and see a bond market move a point because it's their licence, yet somehow they've got the UK's future bang on for years to come whereas previously there's been no warning of recessions and plenty of u-turns of analysis and commentary. Analysis is no doubt a headache but it's easier to give your opinion than act on it, and change your opinion come to that. And we in the out camp are aware it's not going to be pretty but are in this for the long-haul. And if you look at some of the claims. They start with 'could', might', 'will', depending on how confident or doubtful they are. IMO they are concerned for their own immediate careers because the upside will come after their time. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 May 2016 6.21pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 May 16 7.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
That's the spirit. Stifle entrepreneurial enterprises and high employment SME's for bigger business and the share holder model. Again, that £4,300 figure is pulled out of the air. Paul Hilton who was Cameron's strategy director has said that these figures are plucked out of the air like fluff floating past your nose. And sure I respect all the major financial bodies and institutions with their data. They're always bang on the money with every downturn and recession and never revise their analysis sending indices or bond markets moving in vertical lines within seconds during a UK BofE Governor or President of ECB conference, which is what you refer to with 'hanging on every word.' So, they're allowed to change their forecast or view from month to month and see a bond market move a point because it's their licence, yet somehow they've got the UK's future bang on for years to come whereas previously there's been no warning of recessions and plenty of u-turns of analysis and commentary. Analysis is no doubt a headache but it's easier to give your opinion than act on it, and change your opinion come to that. And we in the out camp are aware it's not going to be pretty but are in this for the long-haul. And if you look at some of the claims. They start with 'could', might', 'will', depending on how confident or doubtful they are. IMO they are concerned for their own immediate careers because the upside will come after their time. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 May 2016 6.21pm) Economists are over rated. I bet nearly all of these experts didn't see the crash coming, why do we still trust them.
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silvertop Portishead 27 May 16 7.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
In other words, give in to bullying. Good job we didn't in 1939, eh? Hardly comparable; side steps the points made; and for giving in to bullying, I could counter with another trite platitude: if you can't beat em join em. Only we are already joined.
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truleigh 27 May 16 8.09pm | |
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Oh I hope that little gnome of a coward Cameron watched Warcraft ... and choked on it and his popcorns, and the day he leaves office (The Office, pun intended) will be a party. Kind people have a wonderful dream. Edited by truleigh (27 May 2016 8.10pm) Edited by truleigh (27 May 2016 8.10pm)
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Kermit8 Hevon 27 May 16 8.31pm | |
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When all has been said and done not one of the 'Outs' on here or otherwise has convinced sufficiently that we will be better off economically away from the EU and that the peace in Western and central Europe that has evolved over the last 70 years will definitely not be compromised for the next 70 should the EU break up with not a little help from ourselves in June.
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truleigh 27 May 16 8.54pm | |
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At least we will have a new Wembley match ... like Six vs. Three. I recommend the remaining of Beatles playing Hello, Goodbye at this match and a few Turkish and Russian players on the Team Of The Future vs. Ego Countries leaving like UK, Denmark, Netherlands (finally living up to their name NETHER). Edited by truleigh (27 May 2016 8.55pm) Edited by truleigh (27 May 2016 9.01pm)
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JohnyBoy 27 May 16 9.05pm | |
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Originally posted by truleigh
At least we will have a new Wembley match ... like Six vs. Three. I recommend the remaining of Beatles playing Hello, Goodbye at this match and a few Turkish and Russian players on the Team Of The Future vs. Ego Countries leaving like UK, Denmark, Netherlands (finally living up to their name NETHER). Edited by truleigh (27 May 2016 8.55pm) Edited by truleigh (27 May 2016 9.01pm) That made me laugh...good man
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