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Plane Flag Bromley 15 Apr 13 10.06am

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Quote Ouzo Dan at 15 Apr 2013 8.51am

f*** the belgrano, it was an enemy vessel, when at war you kill the enemy.

I would have been disgusted if Thatcher hadn't given the order to sink it.


...Is the correct answer.


Whilst I agree with the sentiment, also by that logic we could have just nuked Buenos Aires and not bothered with the Task Force and saved 266 British servicemen's lives.

There have to be rules of engagement otherwise the world would have been a sea of fire - like Seoul in about half an hour - half a century ago.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 9.55am)

You're hopefully exaggerating to make your point. Our task was to give the islanders their liberty, any loss of life from either side is a sad loss, but that's part of the risk when soldiers sign up.

Of course there have to rules in war (bizarre really). Now that is one little fat fvcker I would like nuked!

Edited by Plane (15 Apr 2013 10.06am)

 
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 15 Apr 2013 7.53am

Monday morning.
just been listening to the radio on the way to work. Preparations for Thatcher's funeral, etc.

I am feeling the vibe this is going to be a huge anti-climax. The sheer expense of this funeral is obscene.
She was a very effective politician. Nothing more, nothing less.

I hope the proposers/authorisers of the spending of this public money are ashamed and embarrassed.


It is grotesque especially when you realise that just over 4 in 10 people in the UK kept voting her in. Way over the top on so many levels.

That money could pay for some very effective cancer treatment for nth amount of patients or build 100 eco homes to house 100 families (200 adults and 300 children currently in hostels or b and b's)

Appalling and a stupid waste of public money.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 9.51am)

'Appalling and a stupid waste of public money'.

Yeah, so is the extra dosh we give those irritating Scots over the border.

Hasn't stopped us supporting the 'socialist republic of Scotland' though has it.


As I've said before - give us back our oil revenues, compensation for war lost keeping the Empire and its riches afloat, and Berwick and we'll go it alone and you can keep yer subsidies.

btw Londoners get a higher subsidy than Scotlanders.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 10.07am)

 

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Plane Flag Bromley 15 Apr 13 10.10am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 9.58am

Quote Plane at 15 Apr 2013 9.55am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 9.48am

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 15 Apr 2013 7.53am

Monday morning.
just been listening to the radio on the way to work. Preparations for Thatcher's funeral, etc.

I am feeling the vibe this is going to be a huge anti-climax. The sheer expense of this funeral is obscene.
She was a very effective politician. Nothing more, nothing less.

I hope the proposers/authorisers of the spending of this public money are ashamed and embarrassed.


It is grotesque especially when you realise that just over 4 in 10 people in the UK kept voting her in. Way over the top on so many levels.

That money could pay for some very effective cancer treatment for nth amount of patients or build 100 eco homes to house 100 families (200 adults and 300 children currently in hostels or b and b's)

Appalling and a stupid waste of public money.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 9.51am)


[b]Or the majority of people that voted, voted tory.

BTW I don't think she should be having a state funearal (although 'they' ae denying it's a state funeral now), she was just another pm.


Back to school with you young man. *tsk*

A majority would have been 50.01 per cent voting Tory.

As it was around 57 per cent DIDN'T vote Tory. There's your majority.

Her actual majority was seats won. Not votes won.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 9.59am)

Fair enough, but that is the same for every government, that's the system!

Anyway, it doesn't really matter what them northeners think

 
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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Apr 13 10.14am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.07am

As I've said before - give us back our oil revenues, compensation for war lost keeping the Empire and its riches afloat, and Berwick and we'll go it alone and you can keep yer subsidies.

btw Londoners get a higher subsidy than Scotlanders.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 10.07am)

You're in fantasy land mate.

By the time the lawyers are through with you lot on the oil you'd have about 80 percent. Most of the gas is at our end as well...Let's not even talk about the Euro and EU...Who don't want you because they know you'd be a liability after a while.

No fracking gas down your end either.....You know most of the English are praying that you vote yourself out....If only so we don't have to hear it anymore.

You'd last probably about thirty years and then you'd be like Ireland....Anyone worth their salt would move to England anyway....Though then you'd be foreigners...Who I think we should have controls on....You can gladly send us back your English lot.

You're not getting Berwick back, it's more English than Scottish and you lost it last so that's that.

You lot were apart of the empire just as much as us and benefited as well....Some great Scottish regiments.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2013 10.30am)

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 15 Apr 13 10.34am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Apr 2013 10.14am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.07am

As I've said before - give us back our oil revenues, compensation for war lost keeping the Empire and its riches afloat, and Berwick and we'll go it alone and you can keep yer subsidies.

btw Londoners get a higher subsidy than Scotlanders.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 10.07am)

You're in fantasy land mate.

By the time the lawyers are through with you lot on the oil you'd have about 80 percent. Most of the gas is at our end as well...Let's not even talk about the Euro and EU...Who don't want you because they know you'd be a liability after a while.

No fracking gas down your end either.....You know most of the English are praying that you vote yourself out....If only so we don't have to hear it anymore.

You'd last probably about thirty years and then you'd be like Ireland....Anyone worth their salt would move to England anyway....Though then you'd be foreigners...Who I think we should have controls on....You can gladly send us back your English lot.


In all seriousness I haven't got a clue whether we'd make it or not.

Having said that we do have some very good (and potentially very good) industries - tourism, oil, fishing, whisky, Silicon Glen, textiles and a few others. And with a reasonably small population I can envisage a future - with the right management/economic policies of course. Not wasting revenues a la Thatcher - of a pretty prosperous country.

 

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Plane Flag Bromley 15 Apr 13 10.37am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.34am

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Apr 2013 10.14am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.07am

As I've said before - give us back our oil revenues, compensation for war lost keeping the Empire and its riches afloat, and Berwick and we'll go it alone and you can keep yer subsidies.

btw Londoners get a higher subsidy than Scotlanders.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 10.07am)

You're in fantasy land mate.

By the time the lawyers are through with you lot on the oil you'd have about 80 percent. Most of the gas is at our end as well...Let's not even talk about the Euro and EU...Who don't want you because they know you'd be a liability after a while.

No fracking gas down your end either.....You know most of the English are praying that you vote yourself out....If only so we don't have to hear it anymore.

You'd last probably about thirty years and then you'd be like Ireland....Anyone worth their salt would move to England anyway....Though then you'd be foreigners...Who I think we should have controls on....You can gladly send us back your English lot.


In all seriousness I haven't got a clue whether we'd make it or not.

Having said that we do have some very good (and potentially very good) industries - tourism, oil, fishing, whisky, Silicon Glen, textiles and a few others. And with a reasonably small population I can envisage a future - with the right management/economic policies of course. Not wasting revenues a la Thatcher - of a pretty prosperous country.


I thought that never left the country, your lot drink it before it can be exported

 
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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 15 Apr 13 10.44am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Plane at 15 Apr 2013 10.37am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.34am

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Apr 2013 10.14am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.07am

As I've said before - give us back our oil revenues, compensation for war lost keeping the Empire and its riches afloat, and Berwick and we'll go it alone and you can keep yer subsidies.

btw Londoners get a higher subsidy than Scotlanders.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 10.07am)

You're in fantasy land mate.

By the time the lawyers are through with you lot on the oil you'd have about 80 percent. Most of the gas is at our end as well...Let's not even talk about the Euro and EU...Who don't want you because they know you'd be a liability after a while.

No fracking gas down your end either.....You know most of the English are praying that you vote yourself out....If only so we don't have to hear it anymore.

You'd last probably about thirty years and then you'd be like Ireland....Anyone worth their salt would move to England anyway....Though then you'd be foreigners...Who I think we should have controls on....You can gladly send us back your English lot.


In all seriousness I haven't got a clue whether we'd make it or not.

Having said that we do have some very good (and potentially very good) industries - tourism, oil, fishing, whisky, Silicon Glen, textiles and a few others. And with a reasonably small population I can envisage a future - with the right management/economic policies of course. Not wasting revenues a la Thatcher - of a pretty prosperous country.


I thought that never left the country, your lot drink it before it can be exported


There are always readings and tears at Glasgow Airport cargo area as each batch is put on a conveyor belt and into an aircrafts underbelly.
This a tradition going back 50 years now.

Our own little state funeral.

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 9.55am

Quote Plane at 15 Apr 2013 9.50am

Quote Ouzo Dan at 15 Apr 2013 8.51am

f*** the belgrano, it was an enemy vessel, when at war you kill the enemy.

I would have been disgusted if Thatcher hadn't given the order to sink it.


...Is the correct answer.


Whilst I agree with the sentiment, also by that logic we could have just nuked Buenos Aires and not bothered with the Task Force and saved 266 British servicemen's lives.

There have to be rules of engagement otherwise the world would have been a sea of fire - like Seoul in about half an hour - half a century ago.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 9.55am)


There were specific and very reasonable rules of engagement and these included a geographical limit to action around the islands, plus any enemy vessel that was considered a threat to British troops. Any attack on the Argentinian mainland, nuclear or otherwise, would almost certainly have required a declaration of war, which would have unnecessarily put far more lives at risk.

Both the Argentinian navy and the UK military have confirmed that the Belgrano was a threat to our troops and the Argentinian navy have admitted that there were plans for the Belgrano to attack us. Subsequently released British intelligence reports have confirmed this.

As it was, the sinking of the Belgrano was not only justified, in the context of the confrontation, but resulted in the retreat of the Argentinian navy and probably saved many more lives in the long run, on both sides.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Apr 13 10.51am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.34am

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Apr 2013 10.14am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.07am

As I've said before - give us back our oil revenues, compensation for war lost keeping the Empire and its riches afloat, and Berwick and we'll go it alone and you can keep yer subsidies.

btw Londoners get a higher subsidy than Scotlanders.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 10.07am)

You're in fantasy land mate.

By the time the lawyers are through with you lot on the oil you'd have about 80 percent. Most of the gas is at our end as well...Let's not even talk about the Euro and EU...Who don't want you because they know you'd be a liability after a while.

No fracking gas down your end either.....You know most of the English are praying that you vote yourself out....If only so we don't have to hear it anymore.

You'd last probably about thirty years and then you'd be like Ireland....Anyone worth their salt would move to England anyway....Though then you'd be foreigners...Who I think we should have controls on....You can gladly send us back your English lot.


In all seriousness I haven't got a clue whether we'd make it or not.

Having said that we do have some very good (and potentially very good) industries - tourism, oil, fishing, whisky, Silicon Glen, textiles and a few others. And with a reasonably small population I can envisage a future - with the right management/economic policies of course. Not wasting revenues a la Thatcher - of a pretty prosperous country.


The whiskey industry and oil are real earners (but the oil is no certain long term bet).

You'd do ok.....To a certain extent for a generation...But anyone worth their sort not in those industries is going to sod off like they do from Ireland.

Still, I'd be quite happy for the nationalists to win....Though disappointed to lose the unionist Scots...I have history there.

It's a win/win for the English all the same and especially if the fracking and the Falklands oil works out.

 

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Quote SloveniaDave at 15 Apr 2013 10.45am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 9.55am

Quote Plane at 15 Apr 2013 9.50am

Quote Ouzo Dan at 15 Apr 2013 8.51am

f*** the belgrano, it was an enemy vessel, when at war you kill the enemy.

I would have been disgusted if Thatcher hadn't given the order to sink it.


...Is the correct answer.


Whilst I agree with the sentiment, also by that logic we could have just nuked Buenos Aires and not bothered with the Task Force and saved 266 British servicemen's lives.

There have to be rules of engagement otherwise the world would have been a sea of fire - like Seoul in about half an hour - half a century ago.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 9.55am)


There were specific and very reasonable rules of engagement and these included a geographical limit to action around the islands, plus any enemy vessel that was considered a threat to British troops. Any attack on the Argentinian mainland, nuclear or otherwise, would almost certainly have required a declaration of war, which would have unnecessarily put far more lives at risk.

Both the Argentinian navy and the UK military have confirmed that the Belgrano was a threat to our troops and the Argentinian navy have admitted that there were plans for the Belgrano to attack us. Subsequently released British intelligence reports have confirmed this.

As it was, the sinking of the Belgrano was not only justified, in the context of the confrontation, but resulted in the retreat of the Argentinian navy and probably saved many more lives in the long run, on both sides.


Zero argument from me Dave.

I'm just alluding to a few who think that ALL is fair in war. It's not. Killing a million Korean civilians on the ground just in case there were Communist North hiding amongst them was official US policy around 1952. Shocking

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.52am

Zero argument from me Dave.

I'm just alluding to a few who think that ALL is fair in war. It's not. Killing a million Korean civilians on the ground just in case there were Communist North hiding amongst them was official US policy around 1952. Shocking


All is fair in war, any study of history shows that.

What goes on in the killing zone has no illusions to anything else.

Killing civilians is apart of 'total war' and hopefully we don't see that as official policy ever again.

However bombing raids and the taking of territory will always contain this implicitly.

 

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Plane Flag Bromley 15 Apr 13 11.07am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.44am

Quote Plane at 15 Apr 2013 10.37am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.34am

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Apr 2013 10.14am

Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2013 10.07am

As I've said before - give us back our oil revenues, compensation for war lost keeping the Empire and its riches afloat, and Berwick and we'll go it alone and you can keep yer subsidies.

btw Londoners get a higher subsidy than Scotlanders.

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Apr 2013 10.07am)

You're in fantasy land mate.

By the time the lawyers are through with you lot on the oil you'd have about 80 percent. Most of the gas is at our end as well...Let's not even talk about the Euro and EU...Who don't want you because they know you'd be a liability after a while.

No fracking gas down your end either.....You know most of the English are praying that you vote yourself out....If only so we don't have to hear it anymore.

You'd last probably about thirty years and then you'd be like Ireland....Anyone worth their salt would move to England anyway....Though then you'd be foreigners...Who I think we should have controls on....You can gladly send us back your English lot.


In all seriousness I haven't got a clue whether we'd make it or not.

Having said that we do have some very good (and potentially very good) industries - tourism, oil, fishing, whisky, Silicon Glen, textiles and a few others. And with a reasonably small population I can envisage a future - with the right management/economic policies of course. Not wasting revenues a la Thatcher - of a pretty prosperous country.


I thought that never left the country, your lot drink it before it can be exported


There are always readings and tears at Glasgow Airport cargo area as each batch is put on a conveyor belt and into an aircrafts underbelly.
This a tradition going back 50 years now.

Our own little state funeral.

As an aside, have you seen 'The angel's share', a very good film but there were points when I did need subtitles

I know I shouldn't be talking about films in the serious side of Hol

 
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