This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Coronavirus (LOCKED)
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
BlueJay  UK 02 Dec 21 11.30am |
|
|---|---|
|
I know a mate who opted for this years back. They offered about 4k back then!
|
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
|
 Stirlingsays  02 Dec 21 11.32am |
   |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whenever reading an opinion piece, it's necessary to consider whose opinion it is, and who is prepared to publish it. Spiked could, most kindly, be described as "conservative and libertarian". It has a history of taking up anti-environmental positions. It has been funded by the Charles Koch Foundation. Tim Black is associated in that he is deputy editor of Spiked. He also opines in many journals, usually from fairly controversial positions. As he does here. The sub heading reads:- "Mask obsessives just want to signal their superiority over the selfish, germ-spreading others." That's plainly untrue. There aren't any "mask obsessives" that I am aware of. There are those who try to follow the rules, and understand why they are in place, and those who don't. That some people's attitude comes over as selfish, seems pretty clear and undeniable, but in calling it out trying to establish "superiority" as the motivation is nonsense. Acceptance and compliance is. The 'one nation conservative' who appears to have an issue with a data source described as 'conservative and libertarian'. After spending your time telling me that the positions of company funders doesn't mean anything suddenly it becomes a factor when it's sites you want to criticise. We know that Bluejay thinks you are a 'good bloke' but I regard you as pathologically dishonest and while you are intelligent you aren't right in the head. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2021 11.33am)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
 |
| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Dec 21 11.40am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Are you sure that's not confirmation bias? Ok, sure those people exist but I would say it's a subset myself. I'm unvaccinated and I certainly recognise that there's a threat....though that's something I'd still recognise even after a vaccine. Then again, unless your immune system is weak the risk to life is low. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2021 11.26am) When the companies are regulated as closely as the Pharma industry is, broadly yes. When the product is question is being used and tested by every major Government in the world, broadly yes. Before the pandemic, when people were prescribed something by their doctor, no one worried that the Pharma company who made the drug might be lying, or the doctor themselves might be lying - I don't see why that has changed.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 02 Dec 21 11.43am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
As previously stated it does no harm to read opinions with which you don’t agree - provided they’re not too extreme, I guess, but that’s in the eye of the beholder. I knew a mask obsessive but in the end it didn't work for him. He's doing 17 years in Wandsworth for bank robbery.
Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 21 11.43am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Orange1290
"Unvaccinated People Are Increasing the Chances for More Coronavirus Variants" "Unvaccinated could be breeding ground for Covid variants, US officials fear" "At this point, though, the crucial factor may be the fact that richer countries are now mostly so heavily vaccinated that the opportunities for the virus to cook up new mutations are increasingly limited. The nations with the largest populations of unvaccinated and susceptible citizens are those where the odds are greatest that SARS-CoV-2 will find a new way of breaking through the barriers we’ve placed in its path." "For the most part, the coronavirus vaccines reduce the risk of getting infected, and with fewer infections, there is less replicating virus so the chance of producing new variants decreases as well,” "Even in countries where vaccination has reduced the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths, high case numbers and large numbers of unvaccinated individuals provide a mixing vessel in which new variants can emerge." .....and many, many more sources Edited by Orange1290 (02 Dec 2021 5.13am) It's a lot of information but I couldn't find anything actually concrete. If you could actually link to a study that proved the contention that the unvaccinated significantly create more variants than someone vaccinated then I'm willing to believe it. It seems logical to me that in reality variants will evolve regardless and their course will be to become more transmissible...until reaching a level....but also weaker. Without this evolution stronger viruses would continue as the main strains. For example, Spanish flu...is estimated to have killed more than the death toll in WW1, and in significantly less time...well it now still exists today, just as a weak strain that is far less deadly. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2021 11.51am)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Orange1290  02 Dec 21 11.56am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It seems logical to me that in reality variants will evolve regardless and their course will be to become more transmissible...until reaching a level....but also weaker. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2021 11.51am)
Pro China, EU & Palestine |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 21 12.00pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
When the companies are regulated as closely as the Pharma industry is, broadly yes. When the product is question is being used and tested by every major Government in the world, broadly yes. Before the pandemic, when people were prescribed something by their doctor, no one worried that the Pharma company who made the drug might be lying, or the doctor themselves might be lying - I don't see why that has changed. Broadly? Ok.....when it comes to stuff they can get sued on I'd agree. However, I think you have a refreshingly trusting level of faith in both the pharmaceutical industry and its regulation...Though obviously it would differ from country to country I think I watched a Russell Brand video the other day where he showed that this industry both lobbies and part funds regulation....the hand feeds the mouth, so to speak. However, what I'm doubting here are figure ranges for these vaccines transmitting less than if you hadn't taken them. It's not as if I'm saying vaccines don't work is it, because I'm not. I'm raising a specific point. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2021 12.02pm)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 21 12.02pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The 'one nation conservative' who appears to have an issue with a data source described as 'conservative and libertarian'. After spending your time telling me that the positions of company funders doesn't mean anything suddenly it becomes a factor when it's sites you want to criticise. We know that Bluejay thinks you are a 'good bloke' but I regard you as pathologically dishonest and while you are intelligent you aren't right in the head. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2021 11.33am) Where did I say I have an issue with it? All I said, it is useful to know. As is knowing that the Koch brothers have a connection. Not everything they do is controversial, but some is. The reason was to put the sub heading into context. This is an opinion piece, with a pretty unusual opinion. You seem incapable of avoiding ad hominems for very long.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 21 12.03pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Orange1290
It seems logical that variants will evolve in the platforms of least resistance, that of the unvaccinated, which is exactly what has been happening. They will evolve regardless. It's not as though anything could stop that.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 21 12.07pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I spoke to someone this week saying ‘’Omicron is DEFINITELY going to be worse’’ after and during me telling her nobody knows. She then lied that her daughter’s meeting at work had everyone testing positive for Omicron. It’s got to her. The restrictions, not Omicron. People are nervous it is all going to go backwards. After the last 18 months you can sympathise but actually all that is being done is applying the lessons learned. Go hard, go early, and then relax quickly if it proves unnecessary.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 21 12.09pm |
|
|---|---|
|
'That one time at flucamp.'
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| W12 02 Dec 21 12.21pm | |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Orange1290
It wouldn't be the first time (by a long shot) a desease has been caused by the vaccine designed to cure it.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / RegisterNew users
Registration is now on our new message board
Existing users
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
Sponsors
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.