I am anti mask, anti vax, anti lockdown, and anti vaccine passport! I do believe the virus is real I had it myself not long ago and I was bed ridden with all the symtpoms. I was fine with lemsip, solphadeine and a bottle of 7 up.

I am pro antigen testing and if you want to get on with your life just do your testing before/ after you go to events etc....

If you want lockdown or beleive you are vulnerable then stay in your home and hide under your sofa wait for your booster shot and let the rest of us keep calm and carry on!

My position has always been that you can't control nature, especially viruses.....even making a tiny difference comes at ruinous cost. I said that to Maple on here sometime ago....I think that's been borne out, not that he agreed of course.

I think in the fullness of time people will take that lesson from this crazy time.

I don't think people realise that unless you're going to walk around in a bubble, that it's just a matter of time before you catch whatever. It is just a matter of time.

Your immune system will decide what happens after that, regardless of whether you have a vaccine or treatment or whatever....it can only help your immune system identify the virus....which we should remember has been the case in the vast majority of cases.

Lockdowns don't work, masks don't work.....taking precautions will delay infection...and hopefully that means the virus you catch has become weaker than your system.

But you'll catch it regardless.....because you always have caught what's been going around...and that's how nature works.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Dec 2021 2.00pm)

No denying that vaccines in the past have helped in cases of smallpox etc... For me it is just a personal choice I just dont want or have ever had a vaccine. I dont have any mad conspiracy theories on it or anything like that its just a choice that i would rather let my body fight off infections on its own. Now that I have had covid I have my natural "vaccine"

I would never tell someone to not be vaccinated and I would never tell someone to be.

I certainly think that the vaccine has potentially saved a massive amount of lives and that's just here, so across the globe it could go into the millions when all is said and done. It comes at a cost depending on the approach to it (lockdowns etc), but from the health perspective its not in our nature to simply do nothing and that is core to every health development going. Looking at Brazil and the like, did they get on much better by doing next to nothing?

I would agree that lockdowns are pretty pointless beyond an initial pause though because it just delays the spread. Better for those especially at risk to keep a low profile unless they can get vaccinated, that was the sensible compromise.

It's rational to wear a good quality mask (especially prior to vaccination where so many elderly were at risk). Arguably after the most vulnerable have been vaccinated, it becomes a good thing to exposure yourself to covid as its another branch of immunity strengthened. I don't think it's a tick box A or B and stick with some kind of ideology situation. It's sensible to get vaccinated. If it turns out that Omicron is relatively mild and something that the vaccinated can shrug off like nothing then we will have done ourselves a favour with such a widespread vaccination approach.

"Your immune system will decide what happens after that, regardless of whether you have a vaccine or treatment or whatever....it can only help your immune system identify the virus....which we should remember has been the case in the vast majority of cases."

Antibodies and B and T cells as result of vaccination have kept a massive number of people out of hospital. About 20 times less likely to be hopsitalised as result. I've always said that logically having both doesn't hurt (as in getting vaccinated, and then a natural infection after if that happens). That would offer very broad protection. It can of course be argued that in those below a certain age 'who cares'... though again health concerns attributed to the vaccine are significantly more likely to occur in those unvaccinated who get a natural infection, so its still a good idea. But as I say should be left to the individual rather than the pushes to mandate it.

There are tremendous downsides to the past two years, but medically we have put many structures in place that have moved science along significantly, and could prove to be very valuable in future in a similar situation or even for treatments for cancer and the like. The winners and losers at any given time may be more luck of the draw rather than what may seem fair.

Edited by BlueJay (01 Dec 2021 3.05pm)

What statistics bear that out?