Why is this scare mongering? Explain that to me? What part of it is scaremongering exactly?

What other european countries arrangements are you referring to? Can you give me an example?

Are you happy to crash out? Do you fully understand the implications of crashing out? this would be project fear becoming project reality - I don't think anyone disputes that - in at least the short term.

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And with all the people who were prominent in its instigation buggering off and leaving some other poor sods to deal with it.

Your statement that globalisation in inevitable is just one of them. Globalisation is a code word for accepting mass immigration and out sourcing jobs. The Eastern EU countries don't agree with you....countries like Japan and the US and others don't agree with you.

Your statement that Trump would screw Britain is another.

Norway and Switzerland are two examples of countries in Europe with their own arrangements with the EU.

Both different arrangements with the EU just as ours will be.

I'm happy to crash out if the EU seriously want that. This would have a nasty effect on the economy for five to ten years of around a five percent contraction.

Long terms it's going to be beneficial in my view compared to staying in. Especially if the EU collapses.....as is probable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2018 4.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Agree with the majority of this...what a farce

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I wouldn't call Japan and Eastern Europe 'protectionist' as such. It's simply looking to trade but not screw replace their own populations with a Benetton advert.

In a hundred years time people will go to Japan and see the Japanese culture. We have already screwed that up here over decades with too high an immigration policy. We have told our own youth that they have to complete with foreigners for British jobs.....as if their birthright means nothing....Well, I'll never accept that personally.

I don't agree that we could have changed the EU's policy on this. That is what we tried to do for about twenty years and....and I'm struggling to think of one policy that we changed.

The EU is run by Germany....with France as its little brother. We were always the black sheep of the family who they still had to contend with.

I'd agree somewhat with you here. However, the British people had no one to vote for who offered a truthful policy on immigration.....we just were fed lies after lies.

Brexit was the only change the UK had to push back.....Yet we still have anti democratic left wing elements and the pro EU job Tories looking to overturn it.

The Eastern EU countries will still have their own populations in their own countries in two generations time.

These are countries that have experienced invasion from communists and they know what's it's like to be ruled over by others.

They don't have growing populations within their borders playing racism cards and crying victimhood. They don't have to pick up the limbs of children off the pavement every year.....because...you know, it's part and parcel of living in a big city.

They have a right to reject this future.....We unfortunately were sold lies about multiculturalism by the left and right.

I wouldn't disagree....we live in interesting times.

This line of logic makes no sense. Please tell me the foreign entity that negotiates any deals that aren't in it's self interest. This happens within the EU itself.

An expansion of trade with the US is of benefit to both countries if handled evenly. That's up to the negotiators.

That's the models they have. You asked me, I delivered.

We will have our own model.....We have far far more trading links than both Norway and the Swiss and the same model isn't necessary.

I doubt it......Whatever, for me still having a chance at still having a country that self identifies as England in fifty years is more important. And given a binary choice between staying in the EU and getting out......I vote out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2018 6.57pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ditto.
But re- any ''contraction'', this is already a global problem (imo) BUT i have no doubts that the uneducated will blame Brexit when the s*** hits the fan...........rather than their complete lack of knowledge.

Oh well.

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