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orpingtoneagle Orpington 30 Jun 24 1.44pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
People hear and see what they want to hear and see - it's called something like confirmation bias. I guess it applies to a lot of people.
If you want to believe the mainstream media is biased you will find it. If you want to believe the came of the alternative media I am sure you will find a reason to. This election has from all parties been built on poor campaigning, by all too often saying what you think others will do rather than what you will do. By the smaller parties making huge promises that they know they will never be challenged on as they will never be in power Where is Count Binface when you need him? I think a lot of people will vote for change simply because they see change as something they want in preference to the status quo
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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jun 24 2.43pm | |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
If you want to believe the mainstream media is biased you will find it. If you want to believe the came of the alternative media I am sure you will find a reason to. This election has from all parties been built on poor campaigning, by all too often saying what you think others will do rather than what you will do. By the smaller parties making huge promises that they know they will never be challenged on as they will never be in power Where is Count Binface when you need him? I think a lot of people will vote for change simply because they see change as something they want in preference to the status quo I'm not having any of this. Something is either true or untrue. You can have points of view but some things are not flexible. Did Channel 4 set up the racist door knocker thing? Yes or no. There isn't any middle ground on that kind of stuff.
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 30 Jun 24 5.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not having any of this. Something is either true or untrue. You can have points of view but some things are not flexible. Did Channel 4 set up the racist door knocker thing? Yes or no. There isn't any middle ground on that kind of stuff. Indeed you can either believe something is true and factual or not. Whether it is actually true in terms of media is often an irrelevance. Will Labour hike taxes? Rishi says with some certainty they will Keir says they will not. Who knows? Only time will tell. Look across the pond at Trump and Boden. What is truth and what is not is virtually meaningless what seems to matter is what people chose to believe.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 6.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
So, if illegal immigration was stopped overnight, Farage wouldn’t have any momentum, but those who make decisions on our behalf can’t or won’t do so, hence he exists. How on earth do you think anyone can stop illegal immigration overnight?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 6.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
I suspect Channel 4 are trying to sew seeds of doubt in the minds of voters…. Are trying to stitch them up?
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 30 Jun 24 7.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How on earth do you think anyone can stop illegal immigration overnight? You make it unpalatable to enter the country without a passport. Enter with a valid passport and your claim is dealt with here. No passport then.instant removal to Rwanda or offshore. But our elected officials cannot seem to do that. Personally I would consider putting them on what liberals would call a prison ship away from the uk waters where your claim will take considerably longer with a distinct possibility that you will never make the UK. We need a deterrent and I find it amazing that Starmer would immediately remove this deterrent, as would the Liberals and the Greens don’t believe in any borders. That’s why Farage exists. But he’s a nasty racist to you but he would make those decisions on your behalf and if you don’t like those decisions you can vote for somebody else in 5 years time.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 8.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
You make it unpalatable to enter the country without a passport. Enter with a valid passport and your claim is dealt with here. No passport then.instant removal to Rwanda or offshore. But our elected officials cannot seem to do that. Personally I would consider putting them on what liberals would call a prison ship away from the uk waters where your claim will take considerably longer with a distinct possibility that you will never make the UK. We need a deterrent and I find it amazing that Starmer would immediately remove this deterrent, as would the Liberals and the Greens don’t believe in any borders. That’s why Farage exists. But he’s a nasty racist to you but he would make those decisions on your behalf and if you don’t like those decisions you can vote for somebody else in 5 years time. All sounds so easy doesn’t it? The problem is that it isn’t. Not by a very long chalk. We are bound by international conventions to consider asylum for refugees. Farage cannot overwrite the convention and only Parliament could withdraw from it. They are very unlikely to do so because the damage to our international reputation would be severe. As Reform are not going to form a government Farage can make empty promises like this with no danger of them ever actually being tested and shown to be bs.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 30 Jun 24 8.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All sounds so easy doesn’t it? The problem is that it isn’t. Not by a very long chalk. We are bound by international conventions to consider asylum for refugees. Farage cannot overwrite the convention and only Parliament could withdraw from it. They are very unlikely to do so because the damage to our international reputation would be severe. As Reform are not going to form a government Farage can make empty promises like this with no danger of them ever actually being tested and shown to be bs. If the migrants were on a ship under British control, then they are still the responsibility of the UK government so I don’t see that we would be breaking any convention; it just means that they are contained away from those that are being processed through the system because they choose to be honest about who they are.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 9.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
If the migrants were on a ship under British control, then they are still the responsibility of the UK government so I don’t see that we would be breaking any convention; it just means that they are contained away from those that are being processed through the system because they choose to be honest about who they are. Do you know how many asylum seekers we have right now? It’s around 90,000! You would need a very big ship! For reference the barge moored at Portland can house around 500. That caused a load of objections in the locality. You cannot just leave a ship on the high seas. They need to be refuelled, stocked and sheltered from storms. It needs to be berthed. Imagine having to find 180 similar ships and then find berths for them. The cost would be enormous. If Reform does get around 20% they will still only get a handful of seats. Why? Because they will come second in many places. Places where a majority do not agree with Reform and prefer someone else. You don’t adjust policy for 20% of the people!
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cryrst The garden of England 30 Jun 24 9.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All sounds so easy doesn’t it? The problem is that it isn’t. Not by a very long chalk. We are bound by international conventions to consider asylum for refugees. Farage cannot overwrite the convention and only Parliament could withdraw from it. They are very unlikely to do so because the damage to our international reputation would be severe. As Reform are not going to form a government Farage can make empty promises like this with no danger of them ever actually being tested and shown to be bs. I thought our reputation was in the gutter after brexit. Why should we worry about another thing ?
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 30 Jun 24 9.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you know how many asylum seekers we have right now? It’s around 90,000! You would need a very big ship! For reference the barge moored at Portland can house around 500. That caused a load of objections in the locality. You cannot just leave a ship on the high seas. They need to be refuelled, stocked and sheltered from storms. It needs to be berthed. Imagine having to find 180 similar ships and then find berths for them. The cost would be enormous. If Reform does get around 20% they will still only get a handful of seats. Why? Because they will come second in many places. Places where a majority do not agree with Reform and prefer someone else. You don’t adjust policy for 20% of the people! I am talking about migrants coming into the UK going forward not the 90,000 already here; I thought that would be obvious.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 9.36pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I thought our reputation was in the gutter after brexit. Why should we worry about another thing ? Possibly because of Brexit? We don’t want to alienate even more potential trading partners do we?
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