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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 30 Jun 24 1.44pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

People hear and see what they want to hear and see - it's called something like confirmation bias. I guess it applies to a lot of people.


Applies to everyone I would suggest whether you are far left far right (which are often two sides of the same coin,) or wishy washy centrist.

If you want to believe the mainstream media is biased you will find it. If you want to believe the came of the alternative media I am sure you will find a reason to.

This election has from all parties been built on poor campaigning, by all too often saying what you think others will do rather than what you will do. By the smaller parties making huge promises that they know they will never be challenged on as they will never be in power

Where is Count Binface when you need him?

I think a lot of people will vote for change simply because they see change as something they want in preference to the status quo

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Jun 24 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle


Applies to everyone I would suggest whether you are far left far right (which are often two sides of the same coin,) or wishy washy centrist.

If you want to believe the mainstream media is biased you will find it. If you want to believe the came of the alternative media I am sure you will find a reason to.

This election has from all parties been built on poor campaigning, by all too often saying what you think others will do rather than what you will do. By the smaller parties making huge promises that they know they will never be challenged on as they will never be in power

Where is Count Binface when you need him?

I think a lot of people will vote for change simply because they see change as something they want in preference to the status quo

I'm not having any of this.

Something is either true or untrue.

You can have points of view but some things are not flexible.

Did Channel 4 set up the racist door knocker thing? Yes or no.
Did the BBC plant someone to attack Farage? Yes or no?

There isn't any middle ground on that kind of stuff.

 

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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 30 Jun 24 5.11pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not having any of this.

Something is either true or untrue.

You can have points of view but some things are not flexible.

Did Channel 4 set up the racist door knocker thing? Yes or no.
Did the BBC plant someone to attack Farage? Yes or no?

There isn't any middle ground on that kind of stuff.

Indeed you can either believe something is true and factual or not. Whether it is actually true in terms of media is often an irrelevance. Will Labour hike taxes? Rishi says with some certainty they will Keir says they will not. Who knows? Only time will tell.

Look across the pond at Trump and Boden. What is truth and what is not is virtually meaningless what seems to matter is what people chose to believe.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 6.49pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

So, if illegal immigration was stopped overnight, Farage wouldn’t have any momentum, but those who make decisions on our behalf can’t or won’t do so, hence he exists.

How on earth do you think anyone can stop illegal immigration overnight?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 6.54pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

I suspect Channel 4 are trying to sew seeds of doubt in the minds of voters….

Are trying to stitch them up?

 


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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 30 Jun 24 7.03pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How on earth do you think anyone can stop illegal immigration overnight?

You make it unpalatable to enter the country without a passport. Enter with a valid passport and your claim is dealt with here. No passport then.instant removal to Rwanda or offshore. But our elected officials cannot seem to do that. Personally I would consider putting them on what liberals would call a prison ship away from the uk waters where your claim will take considerably longer with a distinct possibility that you will never make the UK. We need a deterrent and I find it amazing that Starmer would immediately remove this deterrent, as would the Liberals and the Greens don’t believe in any borders. That’s why Farage exists. But he’s a nasty racist to you but he would make those decisions on your behalf and if you don’t like those decisions you can vote for somebody else in 5 years time.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 8.08pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

You make it unpalatable to enter the country without a passport. Enter with a valid passport and your claim is dealt with here. No passport then.instant removal to Rwanda or offshore. But our elected officials cannot seem to do that. Personally I would consider putting them on what liberals would call a prison ship away from the uk waters where your claim will take considerably longer with a distinct possibility that you will never make the UK. We need a deterrent and I find it amazing that Starmer would immediately remove this deterrent, as would the Liberals and the Greens don’t believe in any borders. That’s why Farage exists. But he’s a nasty racist to you but he would make those decisions on your behalf and if you don’t like those decisions you can vote for somebody else in 5 years time.

All sounds so easy doesn’t it? The problem is that it isn’t. Not by a very long chalk.

We are bound by international conventions to consider asylum for refugees.

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Farage cannot overwrite the convention and only Parliament could withdraw from it. They are very unlikely to do so because the damage to our international reputation would be severe. As Reform are not going to form a government Farage can make empty promises like this with no danger of them ever actually being tested and shown to be bs.

 


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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 30 Jun 24 8.28pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All sounds so easy doesn’t it? The problem is that it isn’t. Not by a very long chalk.

We are bound by international conventions to consider asylum for refugees.

[Link]

Farage cannot overwrite the convention and only Parliament could withdraw from it. They are very unlikely to do so because the damage to our international reputation would be severe. As Reform are not going to form a government Farage can make empty promises like this with no danger of them ever actually being tested and shown to be bs.

If the migrants were on a ship under British control, then they are still the responsibility of the UK government so I don’t see that we would be breaking any convention; it just means that they are contained away from those that are being processed through the system because they choose to be honest about who they are.
No, Farage will not form a government but if enough of the voters back his party then the eventual government will have to consider how it deals with a large portion of the populations wishes.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

If the migrants were on a ship under British control, then they are still the responsibility of the UK government so I don’t see that we would be breaking any convention; it just means that they are contained away from those that are being processed through the system because they choose to be honest about who they are.
No, Farage will not form a government but if enough of the voters back his party then the eventual government will have to consider how it deals with a large portion of the populations wishes.

Do you know how many asylum seekers we have right now? It’s around 90,000!

You would need a very big ship! For reference the barge moored at Portland can house around 500. That caused a load of objections in the locality. You cannot just leave a ship on the high seas. They need to be refuelled, stocked and sheltered from storms. It needs to be berthed. Imagine having to find 180 similar ships and then find berths for them. The cost would be enormous.

If Reform does get around 20% they will still only get a handful of seats. Why? Because they will come second in many places. Places where a majority do not agree with Reform and prefer someone else. You don’t adjust policy for 20% of the people!

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 30 Jun 24 9.11pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All sounds so easy doesn’t it? The problem is that it isn’t. Not by a very long chalk.

We are bound by international conventions to consider asylum for refugees.

[Link]

Farage cannot overwrite the convention and only Parliament could withdraw from it. They are very unlikely to do so because the damage to our international reputation would be severe. As Reform are not going to form a government Farage can make empty promises like this with no danger of them ever actually being tested and shown to be bs.

I thought our reputation was in the gutter after brexit. Why should we worry about another thing ?

 

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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 30 Jun 24 9.27pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you know how many asylum seekers we have right now? It’s around 90,000!

You would need a very big ship! For reference the barge moored at Portland can house around 500. That caused a load of objections in the locality. You cannot just leave a ship on the high seas. They need to be refuelled, stocked and sheltered from storms. It needs to be berthed. Imagine having to find 180 similar ships and then find berths for them. The cost would be enormous.

If Reform does get around 20% they will still only get a handful of seats. Why? Because they will come second in many places. Places where a majority do not agree with Reform and prefer someone else. You don’t adjust policy for 20% of the people!

I am talking about migrants coming into the UK going forward not the 90,000 already here; I thought that would be obvious.
So how did the UK manage to supply North Sea oil rigs? It shouldn’t be that difficult because I am not talking about 90,000 migrants. And the system would be designed to act as a deterrent to people who want to bypass the normal system by not being able to prove who they are. The numbers should be quite small because it is a deterrent.
What if Reform got 48% of the vote? Would you expect parliament to take some notice?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Jun 24 9.36pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I thought our reputation was in the gutter after brexit. Why should we worry about another thing ?

Possibly because of Brexit?

We don’t want to alienate even more potential trading partners do we?

 


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