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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Jul 18 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I'm started to get worried for this country.
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The modern day Police aren't fit for purpose in many ways. The state is becoming increasingly illiberal and they enforce that. Old laws that contradict the new ones are the only safeguard at the moment.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Jul 18 1.26pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

But why not?

Because the authorities want a simple narrative in which people who object to Islam or to mass immigration are simply 'racists' and must be ignorant.

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 24 Jul 18 3.26pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Because the authorities want a simple narrative in which people who object to Islam or to mass immigration are simply 'racists' and must be ignorant.

The thing is all the police I speak to out of uniform have very illiberal views, That doesn't mean racist.

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 27 Jul 18 8.53am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

So on one hand we have TM naming suspects and on the other hand we have the daily mail naming suspects. Is there any difference?
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Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 27 Jul 18 11.51am Send a Private Message to Oliver Add Oliver as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So on one hand we have TM naming suspects and on the other hand we have the daily mail naming suspects. Is there any difference?
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The difference might be that there are no reporting restrictions in place. He pleaded guilty get over it.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Jul 18 11.59am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Oliver

The difference might be that there are no reporting restrictions in place. He pleaded guilty get over it.


The reporting ban is nonsense and there for the state's agenda of suppressing public information and exposure to the extent of the problem...... and the guilty point been answered multiple times.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 12.10pm)

 


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Matov Flag 27 Jul 18 12.28pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

The thing is all the police I speak to out of uniform have very illiberal views, That doesn't mean racist.

The issue is not the rank and file. It is their senior officers who are part of the problem. And it is not just the Police. It is the wider public sector that is 100% institutionally 'progressive' (for want of a better word).

And the ability to climb the promotion ladder lays behind all of it. The grooming scandal in Rotherham is perhaps the perfect example of what happens when this collective ethos comes to the fore.

Simply put, if you do not comply to the Liberal Zeitgeist of the day, then you stand zero chance of not only building a career in the public sector but also run the risk of actually losing your job. Which happened in Rotherham. Throw in the collusion of local councillors, again Rotherham, and you create the perfect storm. And despite all the reports and people proclaiming 'lessons learned', look what is happening to Sarah Champion. And she is an MP in Rotherham. If they can get to her, then it shows how deeply ingrained this is.

Any Police officer above the rank of Inspector now has to be treated as suspect. Ditto with almost all other equivalents in all parts of the public sector. And these are powerful people. Not necessarily individually but as a collective force, they need to treated with extreme caution.

That is what we are up against. Not sure of the solution if I am honest. It is now so ingrained in how our nation functions that I have genuine fears now that we are heading for some kind of major civil strife within the next 25 years. How that might pan out, I am not sure and I guess it will evolve but having seen the consequences of a full blown civil conflict in Yugoslavia, then I know it will not be pretty.

And those of us on the right have to accept that we will be those seeking to oppose this establishment. Because that is what it is. Effectively a part of the Deep State that seeks to ignore the will of the majority in favour of championing those who actively seek to destroy our democracy.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Jul 18 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

The issue is not the rank and file. It is their senior officers who are part of the problem. And it is not just the Police. It is the wider public sector that is 100% institutionally 'progressive' (for want of a better word).

And the ability to climb the promotion ladder lays behind all of it. The grooming scandal in Rotherham is perhaps the perfect example of what happens when this collective ethos comes to the fore.

Simply put, if you do not comply to the Liberal Zeitgeist of the day, then you stand zero chance of not only building a career in the public sector but also run the risk of actually losing your job. Which happened in Rotherham. Throw in the collusion of local councillors, again Rotherham, and you create the perfect storm. And despite all the reports and people proclaiming 'lessons learned', look what is happening to Sarah Champion. And she is an MP in Rotherham. If they can get to her, then it shows how deeply ingrained this is.

Any Police officer above the rank of Inspector now has to be treated as suspect. Ditto with almost all other equivalents in all parts of the public sector. And these are powerful people. Not necessarily individually but as a collective force, they need to treated with extreme caution.

That is what we are up against. Not sure of the solution if I am honest. It is now so ingrained in how our nation functions that I have genuine fears now that we are heading for some kind of major civil strife within the next 25 years. How that might pan out, I am not sure and I guess it will evolve but having seen the consequences of a full blown civil conflict in Yugoslavia, then I know it will not be pretty.

And those of us on the right have to accept that we will be those seeking to oppose this establishment. Because that is what it is. Effectively a part of the Deep State that seeks to ignore the will of the majority in favour of championing those who actively seek to destroy our democracy.

I've come to this conclusion myself. I think long term the country I love is probably lost.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 12.48pm)

 


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Matov Flag 27 Jul 18 1.14pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've come to this conclusion myself. I think long term the country I love is lost.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2018 12.46pm)


Not sure it is lost but we have, especially those of us on the right of the political spectrum, to accept that it is changing.

The Globalisation Genie is well and truly out of the bottle now and cannot be put back. Just the fact that we can communicate via the internet and exchange these ideas, with no hindrance in terms of national borders and so on, means that our nation will evolve, no matter how much some might yearn for a bucolic image of an England of Cricket Greens and so on. That is gone.

But traditional values, such as faith and family, they are still strong.

For me, the primary reason the Left put so much emphasis on race is that without it they are completely adrift in this modern world.

Islam is the current prime example. Now I am willing to bet good money on the fact that the average Muslim on the street is far more socially conservative than Tommy Robinson. And yet the Left champion their cause with a passion that is frightening.

Now I am absolutely opposed to banning the Burqa for a whole host of reasons but what it represents is abhorrent. And yet the Left not only actively seek to support the wearing of it but even turn on people in Iran and so on who wish to be free of the compulsion that comes with living in an Islamic state. You have atheist bloggers murdered in Bangladesh and not a peep out of the usual subject. And I could go on all afternoon.

And poll after poll exposes attitudes within the British Muslim population that are far to the right of almost everybody else and yet the Left will simply shout down anybody who attempts to discuss this, let alone seek to challenge such views.

In many ways it is an almost schizophrenic reality of double standards. Here we have people whose views on a wide range of subjects are so far to the right that you would have thought the left would have been at front of any and every effort to prevent more Muslims from moving to the west. And yet they present themselves as their protectors, solely around this entire racial narrative.

For me a potential solution would be the creation of a Cosmopolitan Conservative Alliance. Not sure if it could function as a conventional political movement but more a notion of shared values such as the traditional family at the core of how our society functions, law and order, freedom of expression and the promotion of individual responsibility above that of entitlement.

And a judiciary that reflects the will of the people, rather than the narrow social class it is drawn from. More than anything else we need to move on from this idea of the importance of an independent legal system. It is not independent when it is drawn almost exclusively from one single socio-economic class and acts on their behalf.

But something has to change.


Edited by Matov (27 Jul 2018 1.16pm)

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 27 Jul 18 1.54pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Not sure it is lost but we have, especially those of us on the right of the political spectrum, to accept that it is changing.

The Globalisation Genie is well and truly out of the bottle now and cannot be put back. Just the fact that we can communicate via the internet and exchange these ideas, with no hindrance in terms of national borders and so on, means that our nation will evolve, no matter how much some might yearn for a bucolic image of an England of Cricket Greens and so on. That is gone.

But traditional values, such as faith and family, they are still strong.

For me, the primary reason the Left put so much emphasis on race is that without it they are completely adrift in this modern world.

Islam is the current prime example. Now I am willing to bet good money on the fact that the average Muslim on the street is far more socially conservative than Tommy Robinson. And yet the Left champion their cause with a passion that is frightening.

Now I am absolutely opposed to banning the Burqa for a whole host of reasons but what it represents is abhorrent. And yet the Left not only actively seek to support the wearing of it but even turn on people in Iran and so on who wish to be free of the compulsion that comes with living in an Islamic state. You have atheist bloggers murdered in Bangladesh and not a peep out of the usual subject. And I could go on all afternoon.

And poll after poll exposes attitudes within the British Muslim population that are far to the right of almost everybody else and yet the Left will simply shout down anybody who attempts to discuss this, let alone seek to challenge such views.

In many ways it is an almost schizophrenic reality of double standards. Here we have people whose views on a wide range of subjects are so far to the right that you would have thought the left would have been at front of any and every effort to prevent more Muslims from moving to the west. And yet they present themselves as their protectors, solely around this entire racial narrative.

For me a potential solution would be the creation of a Cosmopolitan Conservative Alliance. Not sure if it could function as a conventional political movement but more a notion of shared values such as the traditional family at the core of how our society functions, law and order, freedom of expression and the promotion of individual responsibility above that of entitlement.

And a judiciary that reflects the will of the people, rather than the narrow social class it is drawn from. More than anything else we need to move on from this idea of the importance of an independent legal system. It is not independent when it is drawn almost exclusively from one single socio-economic class and acts on their behalf.

But something has to change.


Edited by Matov (27 Jul 2018 1.16pm)

well said. But i think you missed the fact that the lefties have been attacking the institution of the Family for decades. What proportion of people now get married at age 20 and stay together for life ?
divorce, welfare, uncontrolled immigration of largely men, abortion, ivf, sperm banks, adoption, surrogate mums, house prices pushed up by double income families, etc etc.

Tommy did complain about expensive social housing in posh parts of towns being all given over to illegal asylum seekers....where does that leave the average local person ?

A great time to be an English woman, a tough time to be an English man.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (27 Jul 2018 2.01pm)

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 27 Jul 18 2.03pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

well said. But i think you missed the fact that the lefties have been attacking the institution of the Family for decades. What proportion of people now get married at age 20 and stay together for life ?
divorce, welfare, uncontrolled immigration of largely men, abortion, ivf, sperm banks, adoption, surrogate mums, house prices pushed up by double income families, etc etc.

Tommy did complain about expensive social housing in posh parts of towns being all given over to illegal asylum seekers....where does that leave the average local person ?

A great time to be an English woman, a tough time to be an English man.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (27 Jul 2018 2.01pm)

Can you give examples?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jul 18 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Can you give examples?

I hope this is a funny.

 

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