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Islington Eagle North of the River 09 Jul 18 1.28pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I think everyone has their own personal reasons ! For me I never voted for mass immigration nor have I got any ability to change it. Then came the referendum,my voice can be heard at last! I'm not voting for short term either !! any hardships or problems can be resolved but I know my kids will be better off when they are adults! Hi Danny: What immigration policy do you want after Brexit? What aspect of immigration do you think that leaving the EU will fix (remember over half of all immigration is non-EU and will not change as a result of Brexit)? Also if Brexit closes Car and plane factories , turns Kent into a giant lorry park, grounds all the flights between britain and Europe and empties supermarkets and pharmacies of food and medicine, as well as preventing cancer patients getting their radiotheraphy; is this an ok short term price to pay. What for you is an OK'ish price to pay? 5% less money in your pocket, 10% money less inyour pocket, 15% less? All on the "maybe" that it will be better for the next generation? Just interested in this short term pain equation. Not trying to be funny. I am just interested how much "pain" is OK for you. Palace Fan
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I think everyone has their own personal reasons !
For me I never voted for mass immigration nor have I got any ability to change it. Then came the referendum,my voice can be heard at last!

I'm not voting for short term either !! any hardships or problems can be resolved but I know my kids will be better off when they are adults!

Hi Danny:
What immigration policy do you want after Brexit? What aspect of immigration do you think that leaving the EU will fix (remember over half of all immigration is non-EU and will not change as a result of Brexit)?
Also if Brexit closes Car and plane factories , turns Kent into a giant lorry park, grounds all the flights between britain and Europe and empties supermarkets and pharmacies of food and medicine, as well as preventing cancer patients getting their radiotheraphy; is this an ok short term price to pay. What for you is an OK'ish price to pay? 5% less money in your pocket, 10% money less inyour pocket, 15% less? All on the "maybe" that it will be better for the next generation? Just interested in this short term pain equation. Not trying to be funny. I am just interested how much "pain" is OK for you.

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dannyboy1978 09 Jul 18 1.37pm
Originally posted by Islington Eagle Hi Danny: What immigration policy do you want after Brexit? What aspect of immigration do you think that leaving the EU will fix (remember over half of all immigration is non-EU and will not change as a result of Brexit)? Also if Brexit closes Car and plane factories , turns Kent into a giant lorry park, grounds all the flights between britain and Europe and empties supermarkets and pharmacies of food and medicine, as well as preventing cancer patients getting their radiotheraphy; is this an ok short term price to pay. What for you is an OK'ish price to pay? 5% less money in your pocket, 10% money less inyour pocket, 15% less? All on the "maybe" that it will be better for the next generation? Just interested in this short term pain equation. Not trying to be funny. I am just interested how much "pain" is OK for you. Before I respond can I ask you how we managed before we entered the EU?
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09 Jul 18 1.37pm

Originally posted by Islington Eagle

Before I respond can I ask you how we managed before we entered the EU?

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dannyboy1978 09 Jul 18 1.47pm
Originally posted by Islington Eagle Hi Danny: ? What aspect of immigration do you think that leaving the EU will fix (remember over half of all immigration is non-EU and will not change as a result of Brexit)? between britain and Europe and empties supermarkets and pharmacies of food and medicine, as well as preventing cancer patients getting their radiotheraphy; is this an ok short term price to pay. What for you is an OK'ish price to pay? 5% less money in your pocket, 10% money less inyour pocket, 15% less? All on the "maybe" that it will be better for the next generation? Just interested in this short term pain equation. Not trying to be funny. I am just interested how much "pain" is OK for you. 1.What immigration policy do you want after Brexit. A policy that doesn't flood the employment market with cheap wages and controls immigration to jobs we need. Immigration that doesn't include bring over the whole family that negates the tax made from expense of schooling and hospitals and alike. 2.I cant influence immigration from non EU countries but I would if I had the vote !! 3.Also IF Brexit closes Car and plane factories , turns Kent into a giant lorry park, grounds all the flights IF !!!! Dont take it personally but great countries don't go on a BUT WHAT IF policy!! otherwise nothing will ever get done. I could say to you back, what IF it all works out? You don't know, but I can understand why you are scared.
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09 Jul 18 1.47pm

Originally posted by Islington Eagle

Hi Danny:
? What aspect of immigration do you think that leaving the EU will fix (remember over half of all immigration is non-EU and will not change as a result of Brexit)?
between britain and Europe and empties supermarkets and pharmacies of food and medicine, as well as preventing cancer patients getting their radiotheraphy; is this an ok short term price to pay. What for you is an OK'ish price to pay? 5% less money in your pocket, 10% money less inyour pocket, 15% less? All on the "maybe" that it will be better for the next generation? Just interested in this short term pain equation. Not trying to be funny. I am just interested how much "pain" is OK for you.

1.What immigration policy do you want after Brexit.
A policy that doesn't flood the employment market with cheap wages and controls immigration to jobs we need. Immigration that doesn't include bring over the whole family that negates the tax made from expense of schooling and hospitals and alike.

2.I cant influence immigration from non EU countries but I would if I had the vote !!

3.Also IF Brexit closes Car and plane factories , turns Kent into a giant lorry park, grounds all the flights

IF !!!! Dont take it personally but great countries don't go on a BUT WHAT IF policy!! otherwise nothing will ever get done. I could say to you back, what IF it all works out? You don't know, but I can understand why you are scared.

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Islington Eagle North of the River 09 Jul 18 2.03pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Before I respond can I ask you how we managed before we entered the EU? In the 40 years since we joined the EU the world has changed in many many ways. Advances in Technology and communications have enabled a far more connected and interconnected world. The world has got a lot smaller. International companies have used technology to create comlicated and efficient businesses that rely on frictionless trade, international labour, standardised international rules and regulations. this has meant that we now have amazing items like smart phones in our pockets that we can afford. Bits of them are designed in the UK (ARM chips), with software developed in the United states, with raw materials from all over the world, assembled in (mostly) China, and shipped to you at a price that is affordable to many many people. This is the miracle of the modern world. Slogans like Buy British etc. are as outdated as saying how did we mange before we joined, because there are so few things in any country that are not the result of an international effort. I 100% agree that this has not benefitted everyone. Manual workers in the UK have been pitted against manual workers in China and have lost out. However this is how things are going to move in the future. Artificial intelligence is soon going to make many people in office jobs redundant. Blaming the EU or some other bogey man for this disruption is very wrong. What we need to do is look at a new settlement for all working people and to make sure that we redistribute the dividend that technlogy has provided more fairly. The vast wealth that technology has created for the few (such as Amazon's Jeff Bezos) has been at the expense of manual workers and will next be white collar workers. We need to understand how to resolve this issue, while not discouraging innovation but recompensing the people that have suffered as the industrial age moves to a post-industrial age. In short we are not going to be able to wind back the UK to the age before the EU - that time has gone. Saying how did we cope before is like saying things were great before the Romans came. Well yeah kind of - if you want to paint yourself in Woad and live in the bronze age... There are issues with immigration but leaving the EU in itself is not going to fix them. Palace Fan
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North of the River 09 Jul 18 2.03pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Before I respond can I ask you how we managed before we entered the EU?

In the 40 years since we joined the EU the world has changed in many many ways. Advances in Technology and communications have enabled a far more connected and interconnected world. The world has got a lot smaller. International companies have used technology to create comlicated and efficient businesses that rely on frictionless trade, international labour, standardised international rules and regulations. this has meant that we now have amazing items like smart phones in our pockets that we can afford. Bits of them are designed in the UK (ARM chips), with software developed in the United states, with raw materials from all over the world, assembled in (mostly) China, and shipped to you at a price that is affordable to many many people. This is the miracle of the modern world.
Slogans like Buy British etc. are as outdated as saying how did we mange before we joined, because there are so few things in any country that are not the result of an international effort.
I 100% agree that this has not benefitted everyone. Manual workers in the UK have been pitted against manual workers in China and have lost out. However this is how things are going to move in the future. Artificial intelligence is soon going to make many people in office jobs redundant. Blaming the EU or some other bogey man for this disruption is very wrong. What we need to do is look at a new settlement for all working people and to make sure that we redistribute the dividend that technlogy has provided more fairly. The vast wealth that technology has created for the few (such as Amazon's Jeff Bezos) has been at the expense of manual workers and will next be white collar workers. We need to understand how to resolve this issue, while not discouraging innovation but recompensing the people that have suffered as the industrial age moves to a post-industrial age.
In short we are not going to be able to wind back the UK to the age before the EU - that time has gone. Saying how did we cope before is like saying things were great before the Romans came. Well yeah kind of - if you want to paint yourself in Woad and live in the bronze age...
There are issues with immigration but leaving the EU in itself is not going to fix them.

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Islington Eagle North of the River 09 Jul 18 2.07pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 3.Also IF Brexit closes Car and plane factories , turns Kent into a giant lorry park, grounds all the flights IF !!!! Dont take it personally but great countries don't go on a BUT WHAT IF policy!! otherwise nothing will ever get done. I could say to you back, what IF it all works out? You don't know, but I can understand why you are scared. If we have a no deal scenario these are not What if. These things will happen. If we get a deal, depending on the deal these things might not occur or their impact will be smaller. These are facts. Palace Fan
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Islington Eagle

North of the River 09 Jul 18 2.07pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

3.Also IF Brexit closes Car and plane factories , turns Kent into a giant lorry park, grounds all the flights

If we have a no deal scenario these are not What if. These things will happen. If we get a deal, depending on the deal these things might not occur or their impact will be smaller. These are facts.

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Stirlingsays 09 Jul 18 2.11pm
Originally posted by Islington Eagle In the 40 years since we joined the EU the world has changed in many many ways. Advances in Technology and communications have enabled a far more connected and interconnected world. The world has got a lot smaller. International companies have used technology to create comlicated and efficient businesses that rely on frictionless trade, international labour, standardised international rules and regulations. this has meant that we now have amazing items like smart phones in our pockets that we can afford. Bits of them are designed in the UK (ARM chips), with software developed in the United states, with raw materials from all over the world, assembled in (mostly) China, and shipped to you at a price that is affordable to many many people. This is the miracle of the modern world. Slogans like Buy British etc. are as outdated as saying how did we mange before we joined, because there are so few things in any country that are not the result of an international effort. I 100% agree that this has not benefitted everyone. Manual workers in the UK have been pitted against manual workers in China and have lost out. However this is how things are going to move in the future. Artificial intelligence is soon going to make many people in office jobs redundant. Blaming the EU or some other bogey man for this disruption is very wrong. What we need to do is look at a new settlement for all working people and to make sure that we redistribute the dividend that technlogy has provided more fairly. The vast wealth that technology has created for the few (such as Amazon's Jeff Bezos) has been at the expense of manual workers and will next be white collar workers. We need to understand how to resolve this issue, while not discouraging innovation but recompensing the people that have suffered as the industrial age moves to a post-industrial age. In short we are not going to be able to wind back the UK to the age before the EU - that time has gone. Saying how did we cope before is like saying things were great before the Romans came. Well yeah kind of - if you want to paint yourself in Woad and live in the bronze age... There are issues with immigration but leaving the EU in itself is not going to fix them. Very little you have written here requires the EU in any meaningful way as a method for improvement. The EU is a political entity and a undemocratic power grab that I disavow as a legitimate voice for the European peoples. No one is, for example, saying that the US needs to be within some large block and give up its sovereignty because.....development. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jul 18 2.11pm

Originally posted by Islington Eagle

In the 40 years since we joined the EU the world has changed in many many ways. Advances in Technology and communications have enabled a far more connected and interconnected world. The world has got a lot smaller.
International companies have used technology to create comlicated and efficient businesses that rely on frictionless trade, international labour, standardised international rules and regulations. this has meant that we now have amazing items like smart phones in our pockets that we can afford. Bits of them are designed in the UK (ARM chips), with software developed in the United states, with raw materials from all over the world, assembled in (mostly) China, and shipped to you at a price that is affordable to many many people. This is the miracle of the modern world.
Slogans like Buy British etc. are as outdated as saying how did we mange before we joined, because there are so few things in any country that are not the result of an international effort.
I 100% agree that this has not benefitted everyone. Manual workers in the UK have been pitted against manual workers in China and have lost out. However this is how things are going to move in the future. Artificial intelligence is soon going to make many people in office jobs redundant. Blaming the EU or some other bogey man for this disruption is very wrong. What we need to do is look at a new settlement for all working people and to make sure that we redistribute the dividend that technlogy has provided more fairly. The vast wealth that technology has created for the few (such as Amazon's Jeff Bezos) has been at the expense of manual workers and will next be white collar workers. We need to understand how to resolve this issue, while not discouraging innovation but recompensing the people that have suffered as the industrial age moves to a post-industrial age.
In short we are not going to be able to wind back the UK to the age before the EU - that time has gone. Saying how did we cope before is like saying things were great before the Romans came. Well yeah kind of - if you want to paint yourself in Woad and live in the bronze age...
There are issues with immigration but leaving the EU in itself is not going to fix them.

Very little you have written here requires the EU in any meaningful way as a method for improvement.

The EU is a political entity and a undemocratic power grab that I disavow as a legitimate voice for the European peoples.

No one is, for example, saying that the US needs to be within some large block and give up its sovereignty because.....development.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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dannyboy1978 09 Jul 18 2.15pm
Originally posted by Islington Eagle In the 40 years since we joined the EU the world has changed in many many ways. Advances in Technology and communications have enabled a far more connected and interconnected world. The world has got a lot smaller. International companies have used technology to create comlicated and efficient businesses that rely on frictionless trade, international labour, standardised international rules and regulations. this has meant that we now have amazing items like smart phones in our pockets that we can afford. Bits of them are designed in the UK (ARM chips), with software developed in the United states, with raw materials from all over the world, assembled in (mostly) China, and shipped to you at a price that is affordable to many many people. This is the miracle of the modern world. Slogans like Buy British etc. are as outdated as saying how did we mange before we joined, because there are so few things in any country that are not the result of an international effort. I 100% agree that this has not benefitted everyone. Manual workers in the UK have been pitted against manual workers in China and have lost out. However this is how things are going to move in the future. Artificial intelligence is soon going to make many people in office jobs redundant. Blaming the EU or some other bogey man for this disruption is very wrong. What we need to do is look at a new settlement for all working people and to make sure that we redistribute the dividend that technlogy has provided more fairly. The vast wealth that technology has created for the few (such as Amazon's Jeff Bezos) has been at the expense of manual workers and will next be white collar workers. We need to understand how to resolve this issue, while not discouraging innovation but recompensing the people that have suffered as the industrial age moves to a post-industrial age. In short we are not going to be able to wind back the UK to the age before the EU - that time has gone. Saying how did we cope before is like saying things were great before the Romans came. Well yeah kind of - if you want to paint yourself in Woad and live in the bronze age... There are issues with immigration but leaving the EU in itself is not going to fix them. I agree about artificial intelligence and have said this for many years !! why keep bring over 2-300,000 a year driving wages down to over populate our country when we wont need all these people in the future! We cold start talking about 3D printing and how thats going to change everything again !! Our governments have taken the easy route on growth and that's a bigger population with out spending on the infrastructure, The EU wont change so I want out !!
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09 Jul 18 2.15pm

Originally posted by Islington Eagle

I agree about artificial intelligence and have said this for many years !! why keep bring over 2-300,000 a year driving wages down to over populate our country when we wont need all these people in the future!
We cold start talking about 3D printing and how thats going to change everything again !!

Our governments have taken the easy route on growth and that's a bigger population with out spending on the infrastructure, The EU wont change so I want out !!

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Islington Eagle North of the River 09 Jul 18 2.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Very little you have written here requires the EU in any meaningful way as a method for improvement. The EU is a political entity and a undemocratic power grab that I disavow as a legitimate voice for the European peoples. No one is, for example, saying that the US needs to be within some large block and give up its sovereignty because.....development. What I am saying is that the reasons for lots of people - like DannyBoy - voting to leave the EU (falling wages for low skilled people) are not caused by the EU but the result of globalisation. Globalisation's issues are not going to be resolved by leaving the EU - in fact they are going to get WORSE. The EU is a protectionist trading bloc that has lessened the impact of globalisation. If we are a free trading nation globalisation is going to destroy the economy. Farming and manufacturing will be gone. It will be the 1980's again on Steroids. But this is what the arch-Thatcherites in the Tory party want. It is their ultimate dream. On the other hand Corbyn thinks that chucking off the EU will leave him free to create some socialiest dream land. Both f*ing crazy. The US is in a large free trading bloc - it is called NAFTA. The EU is no less undemocratic than the UK - just different. We still Elect the body that votes on EU laws ( I have not got time to go back over this ridiculous accusation it has been done to death - try Googling the House of lords). However once we leave the EU we will have to align to somebodies trade standards and regulations in order to export to any significant market. Currently we are aligned to the EU. In the future we may want to align with China or the US. Essentially these are the choices as these are the 3 largest regulatory blocs. At the moment we are aligned to the highest standard that means we are good to go for all three. The Tories want to trash that so we can import US agricutural products which currently don't meet EU regs. But that means we say good bye to exporting to Europe. And by the way - good luck with an advantageous trade deal with the US. Trump is the greatest deal maker in the world and will use his expertise to f* us over royally. AMERICA FIRST - if you hadn't already heard. Palace Fan
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North of the River 09 Jul 18 2.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Very little you have written here requires the EU in any meaningful way as a method for improvement.

The EU is a political entity and a undemocratic power grab that I disavow as a legitimate voice for the European peoples.

No one is, for example, saying that the US needs to be within some large block and give up its sovereignty because.....development.

What I am saying is that the reasons for lots of people - like DannyBoy - voting to leave the EU (falling wages for low skilled people) are not caused by the EU but the result of globalisation. Globalisation's issues are not going to be resolved by leaving the EU - in fact they are going to get WORSE. The EU is a protectionist trading bloc that has lessened the impact of globalisation. If we are a free trading nation globalisation is going to destroy the economy. Farming and manufacturing will be gone.
It will be the 1980's again on Steroids. But this is what the arch-Thatcherites in the Tory party want. It is their ultimate dream. On the other hand Corbyn thinks that chucking off the EU will leave him free to create some socialiest dream land. Both f***ing crazy.

The US is in a large free trading bloc - it is called NAFTA.

The EU is no less undemocratic than the UK - just different. We still Elect the body that votes on EU laws ( I have not got time to go back over this ridiculous accusation it has been done to death - try Googling the House of lords).

However once we leave the EU we will have to align to somebodies trade standards and regulations in order to export to any significant market. Currently we are aligned to the EU. In the future we may want to align with China or the US. Essentially these are the choices as these are the 3 largest regulatory blocs. At the moment we are aligned to the highest standard that means we are good to go for all three. The Tories want to trash that so we can import US agricutural products which currently don't meet EU regs. But that means we say good bye to exporting to Europe.
And by the way - good luck with an advantageous trade deal with the US. Trump is the greatest deal maker in the world and will use his expertise to f*** us over royally. AMERICA FIRST - if you hadn't already heard.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jul 18 3.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The one sensible comment you've written that I can concur with is that we indeed are living in parallel universes. Both figuratively in a political sense and perhaps physically for all of us. Your allusion to a 'plan' is a disingenuous criticism. Anyone with any sense understands that political parties are collections of people with widely different perspectives. Hence when they are forced to make collective decisions all you will end up with is a fudge. A 'published' strategy would be the height of stupidity. To make this known before time would be purely weakening your negotiating position and it's just another in the long string of disingenuous criticisms of remainers poking around looking to literally subvert democracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2018 12.16pm) I disagree. Should have just said we will leave the EU without "a deal" so therefore leave CU/SM etc and then look to do a Canada style FTA but geared to UK economy once we're out. The way the Tories did it has been a debacle and basically left everyone in the dark for over 2 years. This stops the DUP moaning as we could just have a different set of rules for NI without having to abide by them in the rest of the UK. By not laying any of this out it was open season and everyone is adamant that everyone else voted for a version of Brexit which is different from the next man's.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The one sensible comment you've written that I can concur with is that we indeed are living in parallel universes. Both figuratively in a political sense and perhaps physically for all of us.

Your allusion to a 'plan' is a disingenuous criticism. Anyone with any sense understands that political parties are collections of people with widely different perspectives. Hence when they are forced to make collective decisions all you will end up with is a fudge.

A 'published' strategy would be the height of stupidity. To make this known before time would be purely weakening your negotiating position and it's just another in the long string of disingenuous criticisms of remainers poking around looking to literally subvert democracy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2018 12.16pm)

I disagree. Should have just said we will leave the EU without "a deal" so therefore leave CU/SM etc and then look to do a Canada style FTA but geared to UK economy once we're out. The way the Tories did it has been a debacle and basically left everyone in the dark for over 2 years. This stops the DUP moaning as we could just have a different set of rules for NI without having to abide by them in the rest of the UK. By not laying any of this out it was open season and everyone is adamant that everyone else voted for a version of Brexit which is different from the next man's.

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Stirlingsays 09 Jul 18 3.24pm
Originally posted by Islington Eagle What I am saying is that the reasons for lots of people - like DannyBoy - voting to leave the EU (falling wages for low skilled people) are not caused by the EU but the result of globalisation. Globalisation's issues are not going to be resolved by leaving the EU - in fact they are going to get WORSE. The EU is a protectionist trading bloc that has lessened the impact of globalisation. If we are a free trading nation globalisation is going to destroy the economy. Farming and manufacturing will be gone. It will be the 1980's again on Steroids. But this is what the arch-Thatcherites in the Tory party want. It is their ultimate dream. On the other hand Corbyn thinks that chucking off the EU will leave him free to create some socialiest dream land. Both f*ing crazy. The US is in a large free trading bloc - it is called NAFTA. The EU is no less undemocratic than the UK - just different. We still Elect the body that votes on EU laws ( I have not got time to go back over this ridiculous accusation it has been done to death - try Googling the House of lords). However once we leave the EU we will have to align to somebodies trade standards and regulations in order to export to any significant market. Currently we are aligned to the EU. In the future we may want to align with China or the US. Essentially these are the choices as these are the 3 largest regulatory blocs. At the moment we are aligned to the highest standard that means we are good to go for all three. The Tories want to trash that so we can import US agricutural products which currently don't meet EU regs. But that means we say good bye to exporting to Europe. And by the way - good luck with an advantageous trade deal with the US. Trump is the greatest deal maker in the world and will use his expertise to f* us over royally. AMERICA FIRST - if you hadn't already heard. All of this is pure scare mongering. There are several European countries outside of the EU that have their own arrangements. We will do the same or we will crash out. As for NAFTA, you mean the trading block Trump is threatening to leave. Trump is right to put the US first and personally I hope that we increase trade between us considerably. May refusing free trade between us recently is yet another surrender to the EU and I hope she will soon be gone politically. Immigration is the central cause for the leave vote and staying in the EU means excepting the EU's immigration policy with no control over it. We have the power to control non EU numbers and pressure can be applied to tighten this still further by the British voter. This can't be done with the EU. Hence voting to leave it is the only option available. Considering the madness of its recent reaction to immigration I think we are leaving just in the nick of time. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jul 18 3.24pm

Originally posted by Islington Eagle

The US is in a large free trading bloc - it is called NAFTA.

All of this is pure scare mongering. There are several European countries outside of the EU that have their own arrangements. We will do the same or we will crash out.

As for NAFTA, you mean the trading block Trump is threatening to leave.

Trump is right to put the US first and personally I hope that we increase trade between us considerably. May refusing free trade between us recently is yet another surrender to the EU and I hope she will soon be gone politically.

Immigration is the central cause for the leave vote and staying in the EU means excepting the EU's immigration policy with no control over it.

We have the power to control non EU numbers and pressure can be applied to tighten this still further by the British voter.

This can't be done with the EU. Hence voting to leave it is the only option available. Considering the madness of its recent reaction to immigration I think we are leaving just in the nick of time.

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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jul 18 3.26pm
Don't see how hard brexit people like Johnson still are going on. What is left of the brexit they wanted to inflict on us? Hopefully nothing.
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Croydon 09 Jul 18 3.26pm

Don't see how hard brexit people like Johnson still are going on.

What is left of the brexit they wanted to inflict on us?

Hopefully nothing.

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Stirlingsays 09 Jul 18 3.28pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Don't see how hard brexit people like Johnson still are going on. What is left of the brexit they wanted to inflict on us? Hopefully nothing. You aren't a democrat Steely. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

09 Jul 18 3.28pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Don't see how hard brexit people like Johnson still are going on.

What is left of the brexit they wanted to inflict on us?

Hopefully nothing.

You aren't a democrat Steely.

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