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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Nov 21 9.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

All the early evidence points to mass transmission but low health impact. Which would be ideal. Will have to wait another week or two but better to slow down it's uptake by implementing some measures until more is known, then if it does turn out to be almost exclusively mild or no symptoms then open everything back up.

My hunch is it won't cause significant hospitalisation / death this time around but lets see. The other interesting outcome of this is the potential elimination of the more 'dangerous' strains. So it could work out win win

I heard the mask measures are legal for 21 days.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Nov 21 9.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I spoke to my GP friend last night she is not happy and stressed out with some of her patients.

Patients who are not vaccinated and say they have COVID symptoms demand a face to face appointment. When they turn up they refuse to wear a mask* so putting the doctor and others at risk they then refuse to take a lateral flow or PCR test to confirm they have COVID because they don't believe in it and sticking a bud up your nose is invasive.

These idiots don't believe in COVID or being vaccinated and yet they want to be treated without being properly examined.

I feel for my friend and anyone in the NHS who has to put up with this rubbish.

Lucky for them my friend is a lot more courteous than I am as I would as I would refuse to treat them.

*If you coughing and sneezing what is the big deal about wearing a mask for a few minutes whilst allowing someone to examine you whether its COVID a cold or the flu you are spreading your germs around. As my friend says she sees extremely vulnerable people and could pass whatever it is on.

Where’s this? That is out of order.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 30 Nov 21 9.45am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I presume you mask up at the supermarket. Next time you go have a walk down the toiletries aisle. You can still smell the products clearly, mask or no mask. This is how effective a mask is at preventing small particles getting into your system. As for keeping small particles in, maybe if you are coughing it helps projectile particles but otherwise it’s just coming out the sides, top and bottom so still gets into the air.

I am not an anti-vaxxer, anti-mask wearer or take COVID lightly however this notion that putting a paper mask on all of a sudden makes the world a safer place is frankly ludicrous.

Enforcing mask wearing is another element of the government exerting control over the public, which in my mind is a more worrying trend than the actual safety impact of mask wearing. If it makes some feel better to wear one then fine, carry on but it should not be enforced.

Basically you're paranoid about big brother. Fine. Just say that

As for efficacy of masks – yes paper and cloth ones are s***. Masks with filters in are significantly better. Does that mean you shouldn't wear one? No. Does it mean you should wear a half decent one in certain scenarios out of courtesy? Yes.

Not wearing one simply because you have an authority issue / in protest (which I also think is the reasoning for most people anti vaxxing, as they have some sort of 1984 chicken little complex) rather than wearing one to be courteous and polite in and around fellow humans is weird. Don't be a prat. You can still be anti-authoritarian and have some element of respect amongst others, even if most of them are morons. Also, if you're unvaxxed surely mask wearing becomes even more of a priority?

But, as we all know, it's a real hardship to wear one. I certainly find it extremely fatiguing wearing one every day on public transport. It's extremely hard to suppress my raging selfishness, and it tear the thing off and shout 'I AM NOT A SHEEP, SHEEPLE', spraying fresh spittle long into the poorly circulated air for all to enjoy. I do wonder how those Japanese have been doing it for decades. Such a burden.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I heard the mask measures are legal for 21 days.

Good to know. The way some are talking you'd think it was 21 years

I assume they will wait another 2 weeks to see how it develops and then (as I suspect) if it's actually mainly mild/no symptoms they'll drop the measures.

Personally I am going to wear a mask on public transport throughout the winter months from now on, even once this has all become less of an issue. Not only does it increase protection for me, but it increases protection for everyone else if I do have a cold or something worse. Logical.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Nov 21 9.51am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Basically you're paranoid about big brother. Fine. Just say that

As for efficacy of masks – yes paper and cloth ones are s***. Masks with filters in are significantly better. Does that mean you shouldn't wear one? No. Does it mean you should wear a half decent one in certain scenarios out of courtesy? Yes.

Not wearing one simply because you have an authority issue / in protest (which I also think is the reasoning for most people anti vaxxing, as they have some sort of 1984 chicken little complex) rather than wearing one to be courteous and polite in and around fellow humans is weird. Don't be a prat. You can still be anti-authoritarian and have some element of respect amongst others, even if most of them are morons. Also, if you're unvaxxed surely mask wearing becomes even more of a priority?

But, as we all know, it's a real hardship to wear one. I certainly find it extremely fatiguing wearing one every day on public transport. It's extremely hard to suppress my raging selfishness, and it tear the thing off and shout 'I AM NOT A SHEEP, SHEEPLE', spraying fresh spittle long into the poorly circulated air for all to enjoy. I do wonder how those Japanese have been doing it for decades. Such a burden.

Ever seen any of the Clive James programme clips showing Japanese torturing themselves for entertainment on Japanese tv?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 30 Nov 21 10.05am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Ever seen any of the Clive James programme clips showing Japanese torturing themselves for entertainment on Japanese tv?

Haha. That would explain it then

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 30 Nov 21 10.58am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Basically you're paranoid about big brother. Fine. Just say that

As for efficacy of masks – yes paper and cloth ones are s***. Masks with filters in are significantly better. Does that mean you shouldn't wear one? No. Does it mean you should wear a half decent one in certain scenarios out of courtesy? Yes.

Not wearing one simply because you have an authority issue / in protest (which I also think is the reasoning for most people anti vaxxing, as they have some sort of 1984 chicken little complex) rather than wearing one to be courteous and polite in and around fellow humans is weird. Don't be a prat. You can still be anti-authoritarian and have some element of respect amongst others, even if most of them are morons. Also, if you're unvaxxed surely mask wearing becomes even more of a priority?

But, as we all know, it's a real hardship to wear one. I certainly find it extremely fatiguing wearing one every day on public transport. It's extremely hard to suppress my raging selfishness, and it tear the thing off and shout 'I AM NOT A SHEEP, SHEEPLE', spraying fresh spittle long into the poorly circulated air for all to enjoy. I do wonder how those Japanese have been doing it for decades. Such a burden.

So....wear a mask because....don't be a prat.....because you think they make a discernable difference....maybe, maybe not.

Yeah, much as I respect you SW, that's just not doing it for me.

Of course, I'll wear a mask where it is mandated but yeah....you might mock it but it is cringe to act like a sheep and that's the majority of society....the behavioral scientists say 'jump' and they get out the trampoline.

How high can you jump SW?

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2021 10.59am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 30 Nov 21 11.09am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Good to know. The way some are talking you'd think it was 21 years

I assume they will wait another 2 weeks to see how it develops and then (as I suspect) if it's actually mainly mild/no symptoms they'll drop the measures.

Personally I am going to wear a mask on public transport throughout the winter months from now on, even once this has all become less of an issue. Not only does it increase protection for me, but it increases protection for everyone else if I do have a cold or something worse. Logical.

Perhaps, but the more you protect yourself from germs the weaker your immune system will actually get.....not that I think a mask (unless it's surgical) is much more than display.

If you regard what's out there as deadly to you then I get the logic, but personally I'd caution against getting too careful.

My view is that you don't want to avoid germs, but avoid large intakes of viral load. In my view (which I know is insignificant) social distancing and hand wash is more effective.

But hey, masks probably won't do you any harm.....so I'm just chewing the cud here. Illness is always a risk and always out there but I can't help but conclude that people's sense of fear has been considerably heightened over the actual risks to them.

I'm sure there are plenty of, in their fifties, McDonald burger eaters or fag smokers quickly grasping for their masks on the tube.....The media and government convincing them that Covid is going to get them over that stroke.

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Stirlingsays Flag 30 Nov 21 11.27am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

So the vaccine protects you from the virus.

But it doesn't protect you from the unvaccinated.....who presumably have the virus.

Mmmmm.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Nov 21 11.36am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I presume you mask up at the supermarket. Next time you go have a walk down the toiletries aisle. You can still smell the products clearly, mask or no mask. This is how effective a mask is at preventing small particles getting into your system. As for keeping small particles in, maybe if you are coughing it helps projectile particles but otherwise it’s just coming out the sides, top and bottom so still gets into the air.

I am not an anti-vaxxer, anti-mask wearer or take COVID lightly however this notion that putting a paper mask on all of a sudden makes the world a safer place is frankly ludicrous.

Enforcing mask wearing is another element of the government exerting control over the public, which in my mind is a more worrying trend than the actual safety impact of mask wearing. If it makes some feel better to wear one then fine, carry on but it should not be enforced.

It seems to me that you, and others making similar claims, are missing the two reasons why everyone needs to play their part, and not just do their own thing because they don't agree.

From all I know, the virus, along with all other viruses, is in the air. If we are infected, then wearing a nonmedical mask will indeed not stop us breathing it into the air, or us breathing it in. So far as that goes, you are right.

It isn't though the point. Our immune system can cope with diluted loads wafting about. It's when we are subjected to a sudden heavy load that it cannot. A mask will stop a heavy load, from a cough or a sneeze, being projected into a small area which we might also be in. It will also protect you from the full impact of a cough or a sneeze by diverting the air containing it. Masks aren't a solution. They are part of a solution.

The second reason is discipline. Having a set of behaviours we are all expected to follow, protects us all. Masks are a visual aid to reassuring people that everyone is following them.

This idea that the government, who in other ways I have no time for at all, are trying to "exercise control" is really way off the mark. They are doing their job. They need to lead us. We need to follow. We have laws that "exercise control" and these aren't, by and large, mandatory legal requirements. Not yet anyway, but if too many start to behave irresponsibly then they might have to be.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 30 Nov 21 11.40am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

All the early evidence points to mass transmission but low health impact. Which would be ideal. Will have to wait another week or two but better to slow down it's uptake by implementing some measures until more is known, then if it does turn out to be almost exclusively mild or no symptoms then open everything back up.

My hunch is it won't cause significant hospitalisation / death this time around but lets see. The other interesting outcome of this is the potential elimination of the more 'dangerous' strains. So it could work out win win

That would certainly be a pleasing combination, and something that could feasibly bring this closer to an end if so. Even if it's as bad as Delta in terms of health impact while it would likely lift hospitalisations for a time, logically we'd soon be out of the other side of it (unless its drawn out). If it somehow has a worse health impact I suppose we're back in no mans land.

All in all through vaccination and natural infection its at least something that we now have a degree of natural ability to fight. If this is so different that it partially gets around that then it's another reference point for our immune systems. To be honest I'm not averse to catching whatever variant is passing (unless it's something beyond belief!) on account that it should convey a more complete protection over time. In combination with vaccinations and sensible precautions I can't see that anything more restrictive will do any good for society. The opposite though perhaps.

Edited by BlueJay (30 Nov 2021 11.41am)

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Nov 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

As a good rule of thumb, if you are in doubt over an issue, see what Wisbech's view of it is and take the opposite view and you won't go far wrong.

Maybe then you are on the wrong football fan site!

I support Palace, have done for 70 years and think they are the most interesting and worthwhile club. I think Brighton are a bunch of to**sers, Millwall a disgrace to the human race, and Charlton the team that time forgot.

 


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