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Spiderman Horsham 05 Apr 21 4.47pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Vaccines cannot hide the decimation of the UKs exports to the EU, it's primary trading partner. And the EUs exports to the UK are unaffected due to the extension in place until at least January next year. The UKs self interest over vaccines is a gamble which has worked so far, but that's all. And UK businesses are clear we are not talking about 'teething' but the reality of leaving the EU. As you are back with us, Any response regarding undesirables being attracted to the Home Office Edited by Spiderman (05 Apr 2021 4.47pm)
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Horsham 05 Apr 21 4.47pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Vaccines cannot hide the decimation of the UKs exports to the EU, it's primary trading partner.

And the EUs exports to the UK are unaffected due to the extension in place until at least January next year.

The UKs self interest over vaccines is a gamble which has worked so far, but that's all.

And UK businesses are clear we are not talking about 'teething' but the reality of leaving the EU.

As you are back with us, Any response regarding undesirables being attracted to the Home Office

Edited by Spiderman (05 Apr 2021 4.47pm)

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Helmet46 Croydon 05 Apr 21 6.38pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Imperialists sell developing countries finished goods, thereby putting themselves into the driving seat on the commercial relationship. The alternative approach is to encourage the other countries to develop their own indigenous capability to develop and market a good. In the case of AstraZeneca it is working with suppliers in 15 countries. The UK has also made advance orders from suppliers in multiple other countries which will have given an early boost to their indigenous capabilities. The early authorisation and adoption of each vaccine has been a significant driver for worldwide production. The UK should soon authorise four more vaccines. The EU sponsored the production of the BioNTech vaccine. The US sponsored Moderna. It should be noted that the AstraZeneca vaccine was specifically developed to be very cheap to support developing countries. That is the only reason Oxford went with them. AZ has committed to not making a profit from the pandemic. It seems the other countries may be trying to recover or to profit from their investments. That may explain the delay in authorisations of some vaccines. In addition, those that paid most largely got earlier deliveries as they supported the R&D through their high price. The EU pays the lowest price per dose for the AZ vaccine - .15. In contrast, Israel paid .50 per dose of the Pfizer vaccine. That now appears to have been money well spent. It is surely moot to criticise the UK for not insisting that AZ breaks its UK agreement to benefit the EU countries. France has used 72% and Germany 68% of the AstraZeneca jabs they have received, according to the latest figures European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC). The Netherlands has used only 44% of its supply. Point well made and that is my issue. The EU likes to be critical of the UK, whilst not utilising the AZ vaccines it’s received. That they would deny a country that will use them, whilst they are clearly not, leaves an opinion about the EU. Additionally the EU is not exporting anything. Pfizer is simply contractually fulfilling its contracts from its manufacturing base in Germany or Belgium. AZ is fulfilling its from India but also from its EU locations. The EU have not played this well at all and seeks to lay the blame at the door of the UK - seemingly doing a Nelson to the lack of use of AZ within its Empire. Edited by Helmet46 (05 Apr 2021 6.41pm)
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Croydon 05 Apr 21 6.38pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Imperialists sell developing countries finished goods, thereby putting themselves into the driving seat on the commercial relationship.

The alternative approach is to encourage the other countries to develop their own indigenous capability to develop and market a good.

In the case of AstraZeneca it is working with suppliers in 15 countries. The UK has also made advance orders from suppliers in multiple other countries which will have given an early boost to their indigenous capabilities.

The early authorisation and adoption of each vaccine has been a significant driver for worldwide production. The UK should soon authorise four more vaccines.

The EU sponsored the production of the BioNTech vaccine. The US sponsored Moderna.

It should be noted that the AstraZeneca vaccine was specifically developed to be very cheap to support developing countries. That is the only reason Oxford went with them. AZ has committed to not making a profit from the pandemic. It seems the other countries may be trying to recover or to profit from their investments. That may explain the delay in authorisations of some vaccines.

In addition, those that paid most largely got earlier deliveries as they supported the R&D through their high price. The EU pays the lowest price per dose for the AZ vaccine - .15.

In contrast, Israel paid .50 per dose of the Pfizer vaccine. That now appears to have been money well spent.

It is surely moot to criticise the UK for not insisting that AZ breaks its UK agreement to benefit the EU countries. France has used 72% and Germany 68% of the AstraZeneca jabs they have received, according to the latest figures European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).

The Netherlands has used only 44% of its supply.

Point well made and that is my issue. The EU likes to be critical of the UK, whilst not utilising the AZ vaccines it’s received. That they would deny a country that will use them, whilst they are clearly not, leaves an opinion about the EU.

Additionally the EU is not exporting anything. Pfizer is simply contractually fulfilling its contracts from its manufacturing base in Germany or Belgium.

AZ is fulfilling its from India but also from its EU locations.

The EU have not played this well at all and seeks to lay the blame at the door of the UK - seemingly doing a Nelson to the lack of use of AZ within its Empire.

Edited by Helmet46 (05 Apr 2021 6.41pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Apr 21 6.58pm
Just did a stint at the Bromley Mass Vaccination site today. We were not busy at all* and don't expect to be for the next few days. If you know anyone over 50 (or one of the vulnerable groups below 50 that the government has identified) that has not had there first vaccine now is a good time to do it. If they can make it to Bromley Civic Centre just off the high street tell them to go online and book with the NHS now. *There are vaccine supply issues across the country so the priority is the 2nd doses. However at Bromley Civic Centre they have the vaccine but not the first jab patients. This is a local problem. The government wont release the next tranche 40-50yo's just yet but there are probably still about 30% of the current group in the Bromley area who have not been vaccinated. Have a word with these folk and give them a nudge in the right direction. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Apr 21 6.58pm

Just did a stint at the Bromley Mass Vaccination site today. We were not busy at all* and don't expect to be for the next few days.

If you know anyone over 50 (or one of the vulnerable groups below 50 that the government has identified) that has not had there first vaccine now is a good time to do it.

If they can make it to Bromley Civic Centre just off the high street tell them to go online and book with the NHS now.

*There are vaccine supply issues across the country so the priority is the 2nd doses. However at Bromley Civic Centre they have the vaccine but not the first jab patients. This is a local problem.

The government wont release the next tranche 40-50yo's just yet but there are probably still about 30% of the current group in the Bromley area who have not been vaccinated.

Have a word with these folk and give them a nudge in the right direction.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 21 8.45pm
Originally posted by palace_in_frogland And again. It’s a horrible feeling! Don't worry. You'll get over it and everything will be back to normal soon! On the other hand maybe we will find common ground elsewhere. Who knows! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 21 8.45pm

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

And again. It’s a horrible feeling!

Don't worry. You'll get over it and everything will be back to normal soon!

On the other hand maybe we will find common ground elsewhere. Who knows!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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BlueJay UK 06 May 21 1.47pm
The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is incredibly effective against severe disease caused by two variants, studies say - [Link] Quote The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine is extraordinarily effective at protecting against severe disease caused by two dangerous variants, according to two studies published Wednesday. The studies, which are based on the real-world use of the vaccine in Qatar and Israel, suggest that the vaccine can prevent the worst outcomes — including severe pneumonia and death — caused by B.1.1.7, the variant first identified in the U.K., and B.1.351, the variant first identified in South Africa. “This is really good news,” said Dr. Annelies Wilder-Smith, an infectious disease researcher at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. “At this point in time, we can confidently say that we can use this vaccine, even in the presence of circulating variants of concern.” In multiple analyses, the researchers found that the vaccine was 87 to 89.5 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.1.7 (UK variant) among people who were at least two weeks past their second shot. It was 72.1 to 75 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.351 (South African variant) among those who had reached the two-week point. The vaccine was highly effective at protecting against the worst outcomes. Overall, it was 97.4 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease from any form of the coronavirus, and 100 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease caused by B.1.1.7 or B.1.351.
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UK 06 May 21 1.47pm

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is incredibly effective against severe disease caused by two variants, studies say - [Link]

Quote The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine is extraordinarily effective at protecting against severe disease caused by two dangerous variants, according to two studies published Wednesday.

The studies, which are based on the real-world use of the vaccine in Qatar and Israel, suggest that the vaccine can prevent the worst outcomes — including severe pneumonia and death — caused by B.1.1.7, the variant first identified in the U.K., and B.1.351, the variant first identified in South Africa.

“This is really good news,” said Dr. Annelies Wilder-Smith, an infectious disease researcher at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. “At this point in time, we can confidently say that we can use this vaccine, even in the presence of circulating variants of concern.”

In multiple analyses, the researchers found that the vaccine was 87 to 89.5 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.1.7 (UK variant) among people who were at least two weeks past their second shot. It was 72.1 to 75 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.351 (South African variant) among those who had reached the two-week point.

The vaccine was highly effective at protecting against the worst outcomes. Overall, it was 97.4 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease from any form of the coronavirus, and 100 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease caused by B.1.1.7 or B.1.351.

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W12 11 May 21 9.37am
For those that want the actual MHRA/Yellow Card numbers in a format that's easily searched: [Link] Please bear in mind that by the governments own admission the Yellow Card system probably represents less than 10% of the actual adverse reactions in reality (less than that for more minor reactions). Given the numbers can someone please explain to me why anyone would get a vaccine unless they are at extremely high risk which is far less than 1% of the population? I believe in the US they are seeing in the first 4 months of this year the equivalent of 15 years of vaccine related deaths being reported in the equivalent reporting system (VAERS). Clown world rolls on.
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W12 11 May 21 9.37am

For those that want the actual MHRA/Yellow Card numbers in a format that's easily searched:

[Link]

Please bear in mind that by the governments own admission the Yellow Card system probably represents less than 10% of the actual adverse reactions in reality (less than that for more minor reactions).

Given the numbers can someone please explain to me why anyone would get a vaccine unless they are at extremely high risk which is far less than 1% of the population?

I believe in the US they are seeing in the first 4 months of this year the equivalent of 15 years of vaccine related deaths being reported in the equivalent reporting system (VAERS).

Clown world rolls on.

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W12 11 May 21 10.23am
As it relates to "hugs": "It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday […] it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. [...] The eyeless creature at the other table swallowed it fanatically. passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grams. Syme, too-in some more double complex way, involving doublethink-Syme, swallow it. Was he, then, alone in the possession of a memory?”
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W12 11 May 21 10.23am

As it relates to "hugs":

"It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday […] it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. [...] The eyeless creature at the other table swallowed it fanatically. passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grams. Syme, too-in some more double complex way, involving doublethink-Syme, swallow it. Was he, then, alone in the possession of a memory?”

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Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 13 May 21 5.52pm
Indian Variant present in UK in Blackburn and other areas with a higher asian population are now getting extra vaccines. Should have banned travel to India a lot earlier. [Link] I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.
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On the edge of reason 13 May 21 5.52pm

Indian Variant present in UK in Blackburn and other areas with a higher asian population are now getting extra vaccines. Should have banned travel to India a lot earlier.

[Link]

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

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BlueJay UK 13 May 21 6.37pm
Originally posted by W12 For those that want the actual MHRA/Yellow Card numbers in a format that's easily searched: [Link] Please bear in mind that by the governments own admission the Yellow Card system probably represents less than 10% of the actual adverse reactions in reality (less than that for more minor reactions). Given the numbers can someone please explain to me why anyone would get a vaccine unless they are at extremely high risk which is far less than 1% of the population? I believe in the US they are seeing in the first 4 months of this year the equivalent of 15 years of vaccine related deaths being reported in the equivalent reporting system (VAERS). Clown world rolls on. Nice tshirt they're selling [Link] Gotta love these 'Independent' websites. Side effects to vaccines are not unusual. If we go with the figure of 1000 deaths from 50 million administered doses, we should consider the likely many 10s of thousands of lives saved also. I can certainly see a case for young people rejecting the vaccine, but you seem to forget that people don't 'have to' get vaccinated anyway if they're truly against it, so the condescending 'you're all idiots' clown world stuff is unhelpful. If you honestly think that only 1% of the population benefit from being vaccinated then you must be pretty wide of the mark yourself in terms of your grasp on reality, Pennywise. Edited by BlueJay (13 May 2021 6.56pm)
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UK 13 May 21 6.37pm

Originally posted by W12

For those that want the actual MHRA/Yellow Card numbers in a format that's easily searched:

[Link]

Given the numbers can someone please explain to me why anyone would get a vaccine unless they are at extremely high risk which is far less than 1% of the population?

I believe in the US they are seeing in the first 4 months of this year the equivalent of 15 years of vaccine related deaths being reported in the equivalent reporting system (VAERS).

Clown world rolls on.

Nice tshirt they're selling [Link]

Gotta love these 'Independent' websites.

Side effects to vaccines are not unusual. If we go with the figure of 1000 deaths from 50 million administered doses, we should consider the likely many 10s of thousands of lives saved also.

I can certainly see a case for young people rejecting the vaccine, but you seem to forget that people don't 'have to' get vaccinated anyway if they're truly against it, so the condescending 'you're all idiots' clown world stuff is unhelpful. If you honestly think that only 1% of the population benefit from being vaccinated then you must be pretty wide of the mark yourself in terms of your grasp on reality, Pennywise.

Edited by BlueJay (13 May 2021 6.56pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 May 21 6.50pm
By July every adult should have been offered a vaccine if and when that happens we should get back to normal. If people don't want it like Blackburn then I have no sympathy. The tolerance of those that have been vaccinated will be strained why should we have to curtail our lifestyle with lockdowns. The government should make this clear to the refusniks it's own you. One more point
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Beckenham 13 May 21 6.50pm

By July every adult should have been offered a vaccine if and when that happens we should get back to normal. If people don't want it like Blackburn then I have no sympathy.

The tolerance of those that have been vaccinated will be strained why should we have to curtail our lifestyle with lockdowns.

The government should make this clear to the refusniks it's own you.

One more point

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BlueJay UK 13 May 21 6.59pm
Originally posted by Badger11 By July every adult should have been offered a vaccine if and when that happens we should get back to normal. If people don't want it like Blackburn then I have no sympathy. The tolerance of those that have been vaccinated will be strained why should we have to curtail our lifestyle with lockdowns. The government should make this clear to the refusniks it's own you. Yes I agree. The option will have been there and if people don't want to help themselves or don't think it necessary then the consequences of that are on them.
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UK 13 May 21 6.59pm

Originally posted by Badger11

By July every adult should have been offered a vaccine if and when that happens we should get back to normal. If people don't want it like Blackburn then I have no sympathy.

The tolerance of those that have been vaccinated will be strained why should we have to curtail our lifestyle with lockdowns.

The government should make this clear to the refusniks it's own you.

Yes I agree. The option will have been there and if people don't want to help themselves or don't think it necessary then the consequences of that are on them.

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 13 May 21 7.00pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Didn’t think they thought it was safe. Still never mind they have acted like complete clowns. Still you carry on blowing their trumpet Interesting your profile was opened 2 years ago and you have never posted ( under this name!), you show the Thai flag. Are you Grumpymort? Edited by Spiderman (04 Apr 2021 8.24pm) You mentioned my name so I appear and no that is not another account I have. From the previous posts I have done why would I use another account I would just say it as it is from my only account which is this one. I have read through what has been posted by that user and even I find it strange some of what they have come out with (some of it has valid points but very small amount) for someone who has a Thai flag it is odd why they are so engaged in moaning about UK. If he or she really was Thai they need to focus on Thai govt they are a disgrace. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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US/Thailand/UK 13 May 21 7.00pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Didn’t think they thought it was safe. Still never mind they have acted like complete clowns. Still you carry on blowing their trumpet

Interesting your profile was opened 2 years ago and you have never posted ( under this name!), you show the Thai flag. Are you Grumpymort?

Edited by Spiderman (04 Apr 2021 8.24pm)

You mentioned my name so I appear and no that is not another account I have.

From the previous posts I have done why would I use another account I would just say it as it is from my only account which is this one.

I have read through what has been posted by that user and even I find it strange some of what they have come out with (some of it has valid points but very small amount) for someone who has a Thai flag it is odd why they are so engaged in moaning about UK.

If he or she really was Thai they need to focus on Thai govt they are a disgrace.

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