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Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 2.35am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you still not understand that what "Robinson" has been convicted of threatened the successful completion of those involved in grooming gang trials? No it didn't. That direct charge was overturned by the appeal judge. He was convicted under 'subjective recklessness' and 'anxiety to defendants'.....precisely because both charges are impossible to disprove. The whole case rested upon the judges taking a subjective view. What Robinson did could have easily been ignored and indeed press have interfered far more with trials in the past and nothing has happened. This point has been made many many times on this thread yet you continue to push these weak narratives. This trial was set up by the Attorney General to find Robinson guilty because of who he is.....and people like you defend it. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 2.37am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Jul 19 2.35am

This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you still not understand that what "Robinson" has been convicted of threatened the successful completion of those involved in grooming gang trials?

No it didn't.

That direct charge was overturned by the appeal judge.

He was convicted under 'subjective recklessness' and 'anxiety to defendants'.....precisely because both charges are impossible to disprove.

The whole case rested upon the judges taking a subjective view. What Robinson did could have easily been ignored and indeed press have interfered far more with trials in the past and nothing has happened.

This point has been made many many times on this thread yet you continue to push these weak narratives.

This trial was set up by the Attorney General to find Robinson guilty because of who he is.....and people like you defend it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 2.37am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 19 4.08am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Glad to see you’re not showing any of that awful bias of which you’re so ready to accuse others. Oh I admit bias! I am biased towards the rule of law, equality and freedom under the law for all, and due process. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 19 4.08am

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Glad to see you’re not showing any of that awful bias of which you’re so ready to accuse others.

Oh I admit bias!

I am biased towards the rule of law, equality and freedom under the law for all, and due process.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 19 4.11am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Teddy Eagle What if he had checked with the court and the police that he wouldn’t be in contempt of court before acting? He didn't though did he? And if he did he would have got no answer to a theoretical question. People are judged on what they do and not what they say they are going to do. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 19 4.11am

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

What if he had checked with the court and the police that he wouldn’t be in contempt of court before acting?

He didn't though did he? And if he did he would have got no answer to a theoretical question. People are judged on what they do and not what they say they are going to do.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 19 4.19am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'You just know' doesn't represent a fact, it presents my opinion. I don't believe I suggest otherwise....So yet another straw-man argument from you. He wasn't tried by his peers, it wasn't a jury trial....just one more thing on the ever ending roll of things you get incorrect. As for you to talk about bias....blimey talk about taking the biscuit. I admit bias! To the law and due process for everyone. Including people like "Robinson". You are right though that was not a jury trial, my apologies for that error but it really doesn't alter the argument. He was found guilty after due process was followed. You either trust our legal system or you don't. Those that see bias against one section of society because they happen to agree with it's world view are themselves based. I believe we treat everybody the same and I do have some first hand experiences to back that belief. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 19 4.19am

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'You just know' doesn't represent a fact, it presents my opinion. I don't believe I suggest otherwise....So yet another straw-man argument from you.

He wasn't tried by his peers, it wasn't a jury trial....just one more thing on the ever ending roll of things you get incorrect.

As for you to talk about bias....blimey talk about taking the biscuit.

I admit bias! To the law and due process for everyone. Including people like "Robinson".

You are right though that was not a jury trial, my apologies for that error but it really doesn't alter the argument. He was found guilty after due process was followed. You either trust our legal system or you don't. Those that see bias against one section of society because they happen to agree with it's world view are themselves based. I believe we treat everybody the same and I do have some first hand experiences to back that belief.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 19 4.29am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays No it didn't. That direct charge was overturned by the appeal judge. He was convicted under 'subjective recklessness' and 'anxiety to defendants'.....precisely because both charges are impossible to disprove. The whole case rested upon the judges taking a subjective view. What Robinson did could have easily been ignored and indeed press have interfered far more with trials in the past and nothing has happened. This point has been made many many times on this thread yet you continue to push these weak narratives. This trial was set up by the Attorney General to find Robinson guilty because of who he is.....and people like you defend it. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 2.37am) He was convicted of those charges precisely because they could have threatened the ongoing investigations by giving defence lawyers arguments that their clients defence had been compromised. The two things are inextricably linked. That new charges were sought was probably a legal requirement because of the way the first trial ended. The basic argument is totally solid."Robinson's" actions compromised a trial and hindered justice to the detriment of the victims. He is a not a hero. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 19 4.29am

This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No it didn't.

That direct charge was overturned by the appeal judge.

He was convicted under 'subjective recklessness' and 'anxiety to defendants'.....precisely because both charges are impossible to disprove.

This point has been made many many times on this thread yet you continue to push these weak narratives.

This trial was set up by the Attorney General to find Robinson guilty because of who he is.....and people like you defend it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 2.37am)

He was convicted of those charges precisely because they could have threatened the ongoing investigations by giving defence lawyers arguments that their clients defence had been compromised. The two things are inextricably linked.

That new charges were sought was probably a legal requirement because of the way the first trial ended.

The basic argument is totally solid."Robinson's" actions compromised a trial and hindered justice to the detriment of the victims. He is a not a hero.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 07 Jul 19 7.38am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Oh I admit bias! I am biased towards the rule of law, equality and freedom under the law for all, and due process. Very noble. Describing someone as a rabble rouser who uses the suffering of others wouldn’t seem to indicate the objectivity you claim.
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07 Jul 19 7.38am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh I admit bias!

I am biased towards the rule of law, equality and freedom under the law for all, and due process.

Very noble. Describing someone as a rabble rouser who uses the suffering of others wouldn’t seem to indicate the objectivity you claim.

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cryrst The garden of England 07 Jul 19 7.41am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He was convicted of those charges precisely because they could have threatened the ongoing investigations by giving defence lawyers arguments that their clients defence had been compromised. The two things are inextricably linked. That new charges were sought was probably a legal requirement because of the way the first trial ended. The basic argument is totally solid."Robinson's" actions compromised a trial and hindered justice to the detriment of the victims. He is a not a hero. Back to thread title for a moment. He did expose the grooming gangs issue though didn't he? That you must admire; the act not the man minimum. And he doesnt hate muslims. He disagrees with the teachings that brainwash muslims. He has Muslim friends including imams. Those that agree with him about the very same thing. Find evidence of that being untrue.
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The garden of England 07 Jul 19 7.41am

This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That new charges were sought was probably a legal requirement because of the way the first trial ended.

The basic argument is totally solid."Robinson's" actions compromised a trial and hindered justice to the detriment of the victims. He is a not a hero.

Back to thread title for a moment.
He did expose the grooming gangs issue though didn't he? That you must admire; the act not the man minimum.
And he doesnt hate muslims.
He disagrees with the teachings that brainwash muslims.
He has Muslim friends including imams.
Those that agree with him about the very same thing.
Find evidence of that being untrue.

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Teddy Eagle 07 Jul 19 7.43am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He didn't though did he? And if he did he would have got no answer to a theoretical question. People are judged on what they do and not what they say they are going to do. I don’t know but he claims he did and court officials have agreed.
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07 Jul 19 7.43am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He didn't though did he? And if he did he would have got no answer to a theoretical question. People are judged on what they do and not what they say they are going to do.

I don’t know but he claims he did and court officials have agreed.

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DanH SW2 07 Jul 19 8.31am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays No it didn't. That direct charge was overturned by the appeal judge. He was convicted under 'subjective recklessness' and 'anxiety to defendants'.....precisely because both charges are impossible to disprove. The whole case rested upon the judges taking a subjective view. What Robinson did could have easily been ignored and indeed press have interfered far more with trials in the past and nothing has happened. This point has been made many many times on this thread yet you continue to push these weak narratives. This trial was set up by the Attorney General to find Robinson guilty because of who he is.....and people like you defend it. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 2.37am) You honestly believe this nonsense?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No it didn't.

That direct charge was overturned by the appeal judge.

He was convicted under 'subjective recklessness' and 'anxiety to defendants'.....precisely because both charges are impossible to disprove.

This point has been made many many times on this thread yet you continue to push these weak narratives.

This trial was set up by the Attorney General to find Robinson guilty because of who he is.....and people like you defend it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 2.37am)

You honestly believe this nonsense?

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Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 9.07am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by DanH You honestly believe this nonsense? What's your excuse? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Jul 19 9.07am

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Originally posted by DanH

You honestly believe this nonsense?

What's your excuse?

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jul 19 10.34am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you still not understand that what "Robinson" has been convicted of threatened the successful completion of those involved in grooming gang trials? His activities hindered the work of the Police and others to bring these people to justice. So far from helping the victims he was potentially causing them more harm than they had already suffered. He has been exposed as being what seemed obvious to many for a long time. He is an attention seeking rabble rouser with a special hatred for Muslims who uses the suffering of others to promote his own agenda. What a load of self serving crap. The authorities were burying the whole problem so the idea that Robinson was the problem has no validity. Do explain how he jepodised any convictions.
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07 Jul 19 10.34am

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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you still not understand that what "Robinson" has been convicted of threatened the successful completion of those involved in grooming gang trials?

His activities hindered the work of the Police and others to bring these people to justice.

So far from helping the victims he was potentially causing them more harm than they had already suffered.

He has been exposed as being what seemed obvious to many for a long time. He is an attention seeking rabble rouser with a special hatred for Muslims who uses the suffering of others to promote his own agenda.

What a load of self serving crap.

The authorities were burying the whole problem so the idea that Robinson was the problem has no validity.

Do explain how he jepodised any convictions.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 07 Jul 19 10.37am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by DanH You honestly believe this nonsense? You got any facts or opinions to offer ? Here is a fact : "normal" journalists do what Tommy did. Everyday. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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