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 Johnny Eagles  berlin 26 May 14 11.28pm |
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Quote The White Horse at 26 May 2014 6.50pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 May 2014 6.29pm
2. The lib dems would be INSANE to off Cleggers just now. Either they and the Tories do ok in the election and clegg can form a coalition again and get their nice limousines and red boxes. Well done Clegg. Or Labour do slightly better, they oust Clegg and a new lefty leader (Cable) finds it possible to do business with Labour. Either way, any potential new leader wants to come in AFTER the election. So if Labour are the largest party (and Tory + Lib Dem equals less than 325) you suggest they find a new leader immediately after the election? I don't know how their process works, but I presume the leader is democratically elected by the membership, which presumably takes more than 5 days or whatever to sort out?! Look at what happened last time! Lib Dems said to Labour "your bloke is a liability, we wouldn't even entertain the ides of him being involved" and it killed the negotiations stone dead because you can't just replace your leader at a moment's notice! Not only that, but presumably the Labour people in those negotiations last time will be itching to play the same game straight back at them. Labour can't spend 5 years slagging off Clegg and then do a deal with him! I can't predict the machinations but I think 1. coalition negotiations would take MUCH longer than last time, certainly long enough for a lib dem leadership challenge (only if they've done badly) and 2. any ambitious lib dem worth his salt wants to rebuild the party AFTER a defeat rather than attenpt to recover lost votes before an election.
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The White Horse  27 May 14 12.03am |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 May 2014 11.28pm
Quote The White Horse at 26 May 2014 6.50pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 May 2014 6.29pm
2. The lib dems would be INSANE to off Cleggers just now. Either they and the Tories do ok in the election and clegg can form a coalition again and get their nice limousines and red boxes. Well done Clegg. Or Labour do slightly better, they oust Clegg and a new lefty leader (Cable) finds it possible to do business with Labour. Either way, any potential new leader wants to come in AFTER the election. So if Labour are the largest party (and Tory + Lib Dem equals less than 325) you suggest they find a new leader immediately after the election? I don't know how their process works, but I presume the leader is democratically elected by the membership, which presumably takes more than 5 days or whatever to sort out?! Look at what happened last time! Lib Dems said to Labour "your bloke is a liability, we wouldn't even entertain the ides of him being involved" and it killed the negotiations stone dead because you can't just replace your leader at a moment's notice! Not only that, but presumably the Labour people in those negotiations last time will be itching to play the same game straight back at them. Labour can't spend 5 years slagging off Clegg and then do a deal with him! I can't predict the machinations but I think 1. coalition negotiations would take MUCH longer than last time, certainly long enough for a lib dem leadership challenge (only if they've done badly) and 2. any ambitious lib dem worth his salt wants to rebuild the party AFTER a defeat rather than attenpt to recover lost votes before an election. There might not be much to rebuild if they lose too badly. Like any major party though, you can complain about the leadership but there aren't many credible contenders.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 14 12.32am |
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Quote elgrande at 26 May 2014 10.35pm
Quote kevpofcpfc at 26 May 2014 9.27pm
Shokin:
And what party did this guy use for that....Labour.
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taylors lovechild  27 May 14 8.09am |
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"5) Rahman personally signed up entire families as sham members of the Labour Party to win selection as the Labour mayoral candidate. He was selected, but was then removed by Labour’s National Executive Committee, and subsequently expelled from the party" So, from what I understand he is a Muslim fundamentalist, which would put him on the right, not the left. Not that it matters. The party he chose I imagine had nothing to do with their manifesto or ideology. There lies the difference. The loons who came out of the woodwork for UKIP were basically voicing more extreme rhetoric than the more senior members.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 14 10.37am |
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Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 8.09am
"5) Rahman personally signed up entire families as sham members of the Labour Party to win selection as the Labour mayoral candidate. He was selected, but was then removed by Labour’s National Executive Committee, and subsequently expelled from the party" So, from what I understand he is a Muslim fundamentalist, which would put him on the right, not the left. Not that it matters. The party he chose I imagine had nothing to do with their manifesto or ideology. There lies the difference. The loons who came out of the woodwork for UKIP were basically voicing more extreme rhetoric than the more senior members.
The description of 'Muslim fundamentalist' isn't one he would advertise or admit to.....So in essence the parties of the left are a natural fit for those who wish to gain powerful positions with minimal accommodation to the national culture and practices. Essentially mate....The proof is in the eating. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 10.40am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 May 14 10.43am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 10.37am
Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 8.09am
"5) Rahman personally signed up entire families as sham members of the Labour Party to win selection as the Labour mayoral candidate. He was selected, but was then removed by Labour’s National Executive Committee, and subsequently expelled from the party" So, from what I understand he is a Muslim fundamentalist, which would put him on the right, not the left. Not that it matters. The party he chose I imagine had nothing to do with their manifesto or ideology. There lies the difference. The loons who came out of the woodwork for UKIP were basically voicing more extreme rhetoric than the more senior members.
The description of 'Muslim fundamentalist' isn't one he would advertise or admit to.....So in essence the parties of the left are a natural fit for those who wish to gain powerful positions with minimal accommodation to the national culture and practices. Essentially mate....The proof is in the eating. And the opposite is the case with Jews voting Conservative 2 generations on after embracing English culture as soon as they arrived. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 May 2014 10.44am)
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 14 10.51am |
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Quote Rudi Hedman at 27 May 2014 10.43am
And the opposite is the case with Jews voting Conservative 2 generations on after embracing English culture as soon as they arrived. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 May 2014 10.44am) I don't know much about Jewish voting records but I've always admired the general Jewish tendency to assimilate into their host culture. Generally, I'd say this aspect in their culture is behind their success in many countries.....It's possibility due to all the prosecution they endured down the ages telling them that fitting in where they can is the better option.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 May 14 10.59am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 10.51am
Quote Rudi Hedman at 27 May 2014 10.43am
And the opposite is the case with Jews voting Conservative 2 generations on after embracing English culture as soon as they arrived. I don't know much about Jewish voting records but I've always admired the general Jewish tendency to assimilate into their host culture. Generally, I'd say this aspect in their culture is behind their success in many countries.....It's possibility due to all the prosecution they endured down the ages telling them that fitting in where they can is the better option.
I think they couldn't vote Tory originally because a Tory MP in one of the main Jewish areas was very prejudice. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 May 2014 11.02am)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 May 14 10.59am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 10.51am
Quote Rudi Hedman at 27 May 2014 10.43am
And the opposite is the case with Jews voting Conservative 2 generations on after embracing English culture as soon as they arrived. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 May 2014 10.44am) I don't know much about Jewish voting records but I've always admired the general Jewish tendency to assimilate into their host culture. Generally, I'd say this aspect in their culture is behind their success in many countries.....It's possibility due to all the prosecution they endured down the ages telling them that fitting in where they can is the better option.
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| Hoof Hearted 27 May 14 11.02am | |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 10.59am
Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 10.51am
Quote Rudi Hedman at 27 May 2014 10.43am
And the opposite is the case with Jews voting Conservative 2 generations on after embracing English culture as soon as they arrived. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 May 2014 10.44am) I don't know much about Jewish voting records but I've always admired the general Jewish tendency to assimilate into their host culture. Generally, I'd say this aspect in their culture is behind their success in many countries.....It's possibility due to all the prosecution they endured down the ages telling them that fitting in where they can is the better option.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 14 11.05am |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 10.59am
Of course there are groupings within every culture but within the Jewish one they don't cause trouble or campaign against the host culture....Generally they fit in.....Well, in my experience. No one has problems with the pious.....It's radicals that cause problems. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 11.07am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 May 14 11.06am |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 10.59am
Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 10.51am
Quote Rudi Hedman at 27 May 2014 10.43am
And the opposite is the case with Jews voting Conservative 2 generations on after embracing English culture as soon as they arrived. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 May 2014 10.44am) I don't know much about Jewish voting records but I've always admired the general Jewish tendency to assimilate into their host culture. Generally, I'd say this aspect in their culture is behind their success in many countries.....It's possibility due to all the prosecution they endured down the ages telling them that fitting in where they can is the better option.
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