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Stirlingsays 02 Aug 14 8.53pm
Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative. It is unfortunate. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative.

It is unfortunate.

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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 8.53pm Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative. It is unfortunate. Yeah I don't think you can call it genocide. Israel is certainly oppressive and brutal as far as Gaza and the West Bank are concerned, but Israel doesn't really want to kill or ethnical cleanse Palestine. That said its not above politically utilising Palestine as a punching bag. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative.

It is unfortunate.

Yeah I don't think you can call it genocide. Israel is certainly oppressive and brutal as far as Gaza and the West Bank are concerned, but Israel doesn't really want to kill or ethnical cleanse Palestine. That said its not above politically utilising Palestine as a punching bag.

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 02 Aug 14 10.51pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 8.53pm Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative. It is unfortunate. Pompous and inaccurate twaddle as usual Mr S. Some people have suggested there is a case to answer, which is a perfectly reasonable question to raise. Legaleagle has provided a persuasive argument as to why it is not genocide which I fully respect, but that does not mean that the question should not be asked. You have, on at least 3 occasions in this thread, compared Hamas to the Nazis. I don't think anyone bothered to pick you up on it, probably because we are used to your emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole and oversimplification in most of your arguments. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 8.53pm

Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative.

It is unfortunate.

Pompous and inaccurate twaddle as usual Mr S.

Some people have suggested there is a case to answer, which is a perfectly reasonable question to raise. Legaleagle has provided a persuasive argument as to why it is not genocide which I fully respect, but that does not mean that the question should not be asked.

You have, on at least 3 occasions in this thread, compared Hamas to the Nazis. I don't think anyone bothered to pick you up on it, probably because we are used to your emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole and oversimplification in most of your arguments.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

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Stirlingsays 02 Aug 14 11.21pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 02 Aug 2014 10.51pm Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 8.53pm Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative. It is unfortunate. Pompous and inaccurate twaddle as usual Mr S. Some people have suggested there is a case to answer, which is a perfectly reasonable question to raise. Legaleagle has provided a persuasive argument as to why it is not genocide which I fully respect, but that does not mean that the question should not be asked. You have, on at least 3 occasions in this thread, compared Hamas to the Nazis. I don't think anyone bothered to pick you up on it, probably because we are used to your emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole and oversimplification in most of your arguments. Here we are again. Old Dave just can't move on and just wants to continue his character assassinations. I'm not going to play your game anymore Dave. You can carry on with your insults all you like. Instead if there are any rationalizations within your posts I'll deal with them. You appear to suggest that the question of whether 'genocide' is being committed is a reasonable one. Well, for those asking the 'question' fair enough. Those debates are happening all the time. As for comparing Hamas to the Nazis.....Yes I do. You call it 'emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole'. I disagree completely. While Hamas are obviously a religious organisation while the Nazis were not we can say that in relation to the Jews....the attitudes towards Jewish perceived characteristics and motivations isn't exactly unsimilar. I could choose from multiple examples but this one from Marwan Abu Ras, a Hamas MP... fits quite nicely the Nazi propaganda on the Jewish race. 'The Jews are behind each and every catastrophe on the face of the Earth. This is not open to debate. This is not a temporal thing, but goes back to days of yore. They concocted so many conspiracies and betrayed rulers and nations so many times that the people harbor hatred towards them.... Throughout history – from Nebuchadnezzar until modern times ... They slayed the prophets, and so on.... Any catastrophe on the face of this Earth – the Jews must be behind it' According to Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, 'The Hamas credo is not just anti-Israel, but profoundly anti-Semitic with racism at its core. The Hamas Charter reads like a modern-day 'Mein Kampf.' Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant provides the following quotation: 'The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews'. Their charter continues pretty clearly in this vein...But to shorten what is already a long thread I'll end here. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 11.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote SloveniaDave at 02 Aug 2014 10.51pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 8.53pm

Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative.

It is unfortunate.

Pompous and inaccurate twaddle as usual Mr S.

Here we are again. Old Dave just can't move on and just wants to continue his character assassinations.

I'm not going to play your game anymore Dave. You can carry on with your insults all you like.

Instead if there are any rationalizations within your posts I'll deal with them.

You appear to suggest that the question of whether 'genocide' is being committed is a reasonable one.

Well, for those asking the 'question' fair enough. Those debates are happening all the time.

As for comparing Hamas to the Nazis.....Yes I do. You call it 'emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole'. I disagree completely.

While Hamas are obviously a religious organisation while the Nazis were not we can say that in relation to the Jews....the attitudes towards Jewish perceived characteristics and motivations isn't exactly unsimilar.

I could choose from multiple examples but this one from Marwan Abu Ras, a Hamas MP... fits quite nicely the Nazi propaganda on the Jewish race.

'The Jews are behind each and every catastrophe on the face of the Earth. This is not open to debate. This is not a temporal thing, but goes back to days of yore. They concocted so many conspiracies and betrayed rulers and nations so many times that the people harbor hatred towards them.... Throughout history – from Nebuchadnezzar until modern times ... They slayed the prophets, and so on.... Any catastrophe on the face of this Earth – the Jews must be behind it'

According to Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, 'The Hamas credo is not just anti-Israel, but profoundly anti-Semitic with racism at its core. The Hamas Charter reads like a modern-day 'Mein Kampf.'

Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant provides the following quotation:

'The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews'.

Their charter continues pretty clearly in this vein...But to shorten what is already a long thread I'll end here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 11.23pm)

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Stirlingsays 02 Aug 14 11.56pm
Quote nickgusset at 02 Aug 2014 11.49pm Unless you stop saying you want our destruction, we will destroy you. Even if you do this, we will still control you anyway and will probably destroy your infrastructure or take your land piecemeal as we did in the days before Hamas. So you regard events like Camp David and all those near misses as disingenuous from the Israelis?.....Even the left in Israel? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote nickgusset at 02 Aug 2014 11.49pm

Unless you stop saying you want our destruction, we will destroy you. Even if you do this, we will still control you anyway and will probably destroy your infrastructure or take your land piecemeal as we did in the days before Hamas.

So you regard events like Camp David and all those near misses as disingenuous from the Israelis?.....Even the left in Israel?

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EagleEyedAlbert ...too far north of the water. 03 Aug 14 12.02am
Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 11.21pm Quote SloveniaDave at 02 Aug 2014 10.51pm Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 8.53pm Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative. It is unfortunate. Pompous and inaccurate twaddle as usual Mr S. Some people have suggested there is a case to answer, which is a perfectly reasonable question to raise. Legaleagle has provided a persuasive argument as to why it is not genocide which I fully respect, but that does not mean that the question should not be asked. You have, on at least 3 occasions in this thread, compared Hamas to the Nazis. I don't think anyone bothered to pick you up on it, probably because we are used to your emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole and oversimplification in most of your arguments. Here we are again. Old Dave just can't move on and just wants to continue his character assassinations. I'm not going to play your game anymore Dave. You can carry on with your insults all you like. Instead if there are any rationalizations within your posts I'll deal with them. You appear to suggest that the question of whether 'genocide' is being committed is a reasonable one. Well, for those asking the 'question' fair enough. Those debates are happening all the time. As for comparing Hamas to the Nazis.....Yes I do. You call it 'emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole'. I disagree completely. While Hamas are obviously a religious organisation while the Nazis were not we can say that in relation to the Jews....the attitudes towards Jewish perceived characteristics and motivations isn't exactly unsimilar. I could choose from multiple examples but this one from Marwan Abu Ras, a Hamas MP... fits quite nicely the Nazi propaganda on the Jewish race. 'The Jews are behind each and every catastrophe on the face of the Earth. This is not open to debate. This is not a temporal thing, but goes back to days of yore. They concocted so many conspiracies and betrayed rulers and nations so many times that the people harbor hatred towards them.... Throughout history – from Nebuchadnezzar until modern times ... They slayed the prophets, and so on.... Any catastrophe on the face of this Earth – the Jews must be behind it' According to Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, 'The Hamas credo is not just anti-Israel, but profoundly anti-Semitic with racism at its core. The Hamas Charter reads like a modern-day 'Mein Kampf.' Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant provides the following quotation: 'The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews'. Their charter continues pretty clearly in this vein...But to shorten what is already a long thread I'll end here. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 11.23pm) ...silly Hamas, trees don't talk. Edited by EagleEyedAlbert (03 Aug 2014 12.02am) "IS HE!!?" -Can often be found on HOL Radio chatting Palace-related nonsense: Catch it here, Sunday Nights 8pm: [Link] HOL Radio Twitter: [Link] Me on the Twitter: [Link] "You don't own a dog & bark yourself, do you?"
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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 11.21pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 02 Aug 2014 10.51pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 8.53pm

Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative.

It is unfortunate.

Pompous and inaccurate twaddle as usual Mr S.

Here we are again. Old Dave just can't move on and just wants to continue his character assassinations.

I'm not going to play your game anymore Dave. You can carry on with your insults all you like.

Instead if there are any rationalizations within your posts I'll deal with them.

You appear to suggest that the question of whether 'genocide' is being committed is a reasonable one.

Well, for those asking the 'question' fair enough. Those debates are happening all the time.

As for comparing Hamas to the Nazis.....Yes I do. You call it 'emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole'. I disagree completely.

I could choose from multiple examples but this one from Marwan Abu Ras, a Hamas MP... fits quite nicely the Nazi propaganda on the Jewish race.

Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant provides the following quotation:

'The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews'.

Their charter continues pretty clearly in this vein...But to shorten what is already a long thread I'll end here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 11.23pm)

...silly Hamas, trees don't talk.

Edited by EagleEyedAlbert (03 Aug 2014 12.02am)

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Stirlingsays 03 Aug 14 12.07am
Quote EagleEyedAlbert at 03 Aug 2014 12.02am ...silly Hamas, trees don't talk. Edited by EagleEyedAlbert (03 Aug 2014 12.02am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote EagleEyedAlbert at 03 Aug 2014 12.02am

...silly Hamas, trees don't talk.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Aug 14 12.19am
Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 11.56pm Quote nickgusset at 02 Aug 2014 11.49pm Unless you stop saying you want our destruction, we will destroy you. Even if you do this, we will still control you anyway and will probably destroy your infrastructure or take your land piecemeal as we did in the days before Hamas. So you regard events like Camp David and all those near misses as disingenuous from the Israelis?.....Even the left in Israel? They mean nothing at the moment do they? You are talking of resolutions, great, but until one of the sides stops, it's meaningless. Netanyahu must have been spoiling for a fight. Instead of waiting for an investigation, it was in, all guns blazing. The fact that it wasn't even Hamas that kidnapped the 3 teenagers seems to have passed them by. At the moment, Hamas it would seem are going down with the ship. Dying defending their homeland. True spirit of St George (Palestinian) Rather die defending their country than subjugating and giving more of it up. How many on here see dying, defending your country as heroic? Would you do the same if you were in Palestinian shoes? Of course there will be resistance to the besiegement of Gaza and Palestine as a whole. The Israelis should expect that. There's always resistance among some of the population within occupied countries.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 11.56pm

Quote nickgusset at 02 Aug 2014 11.49pm

So you regard events like Camp David and all those near misses as disingenuous from the Israelis?.....Even the left in Israel?

They mean nothing at the moment do they? You are talking of resolutions, great, but until one of the sides stops, it's meaningless.

Netanyahu must have been spoiling for a fight. Instead of waiting for an investigation, it was in, all guns blazing. The fact that it wasn't even Hamas that kidnapped the 3 teenagers seems to have passed them by.

At the moment, Hamas it would seem are going down with the ship. Dying defending their homeland. True spirit of St George (Palestinian) Rather die defending their country than subjugating and giving more of it up.
How many on here see dying, defending your country as heroic? Would you do the same if you were in Palestinian shoes?

Of course there will be resistance to the besiegement of Gaza and Palestine as a whole. The Israelis should expect that. There's always resistance among some of the population within occupied countries.

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Quote EagleEyedAlbert at 03 Aug 2014 12.02am Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 11.21pm Quote SloveniaDave at 02 Aug 2014 10.51pm Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 8.53pm Some people use the word, 'genocide' because they deem exaggeration as acceptable if it supports their narrative. It is unfortunate. Pompous and inaccurate twaddle as usual Mr S. Some people have suggested there is a case to answer, which is a perfectly reasonable question to raise. Legaleagle has provided a persuasive argument as to why it is not genocide which I fully respect, but that does not mean that the question should not be asked. You have, on at least 3 occasions in this thread, compared Hamas to the Nazis. I don't think anyone bothered to pick you up on it, probably because we are used to your emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole and oversimplification in most of your arguments. Here we are again. Old Dave just can't move on and just wants to continue his character assassinations. I'm not going to play your game anymore Dave. You can carry on with your insults all you like. Instead if there are any rationalizations within your posts I'll deal with them. You appear to suggest that the question of whether 'genocide' is being committed is a reasonable one. Well, for those asking the 'question' fair enough. Those debates are happening all the time. As for comparing Hamas to the Nazis.....Yes I do. You call it 'emotive and inaccurate use of hyperbole'. I disagree completely. While Hamas are obviously a religious organisation while the Nazis were not we can say that in relation to the Jews....the attitudes towards Jewish perceived characteristics and motivations isn't exactly unsimilar. I could choose from multiple examples but this one from Marwan Abu Ras, a Hamas MP... fits quite nicely the Nazi propaganda on the Jewish race. 'The Jews are behind each and every catastrophe on the face of the Earth. This is not open to debate. This is not a temporal thing, but goes back to days of yore. They concocted so many conspiracies and betrayed rulers and nations so many times that the people harbor hatred towards them.... Throughout history – from Nebuchadnezzar until modern times ... They slayed the prophets, and so on.... Any catastrophe on the face of this Earth – the Jews must be behind it' According to Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, 'The Hamas credo is not just anti-Israel, but profoundly anti-Semitic with racism at its core. The Hamas Charter reads like a modern-day 'Mein Kampf.' Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant provides the following quotation: 'The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews'. Their charter continues pretty clearly in this vein...But to shorten what is already a long thread I'll end here. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 11.23pm) ...silly Hamas, trees don't talk. Edited by EagleEyedAlbert (03 Aug 2014 12.02am) But burning bushes do...
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