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BlueJay UK 20 Oct 21 1.39pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Fear and bulls*** getting cranked up. Most people not taking any notice. Yes, using a standard of deaths as a number to go by they are remarkably low considering the number of cases (depending on what you go on likely 40-70,000 cases a day, with high hundreds of thousands of active cases) . As far as I'm concerned the vaccine has done its job. Also, surface case number of infections isn't all that it seems really because almost half of the cases are amongst under 20s on account that they mostly haven't been vaccinated (and i'm not saying they should be). I can't see the government changing tack now as there are so many consequences already panning out that this would further worsen.
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BlueJay

UK 20 Oct 21 1.39pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Fear and bulls*** getting cranked up. Most people not taking any notice.

Yes, using a standard of deaths as a number to go by they are remarkably low considering the number of cases (depending on what you go on likely 40-70,000 cases a day, with high hundreds of thousands of active cases) . As far as I'm concerned the vaccine has done its job.

Also, surface case number of infections isn't all that it seems really because almost half of the cases are amongst under 20s on account that they mostly haven't been vaccinated (and i'm not saying they should be). I can't see the government changing tack now as there are so many consequences already panning out that this would further worsen.

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georgenorman 22 Oct 21 3.39pm
Covid and the repsonse to it reminds me of a passage from "Alice Through the Looking Glass": 'Well in our country,' said Alice, still panting a little,'you'd generally get to somewhere else - if you ran very fast for a long time, as we've been doing.' 'A slow sort of country!' said the Queen. 'Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.'
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22 Oct 21 3.39pm

Covid and the repsonse to it reminds me of a passage from "Alice Through the Looking Glass":
'Well in our country,' said Alice, still panting a little,'you'd generally get to somewhere else - if you ran very fast for a long time, as we've been doing.'
'A slow sort of country!' said the Queen. 'Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.'

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Stirlingsays 23 Oct 21 12.01pm
PJW on where we are currently. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Oct 21 12.01pm

PJW on where we are currently.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Oct 21 12.50pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays PJW on where we are currently. [Link] An interesting video. We got Covid from my son from school. However, there is no mass testing in Ireland. If there were, the cases would be miles higher. Which is exactly why there is no testing. Currently, all testing is PCR and has to be booked in advance, and only if specific symptoms are present will they give you an appointment. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Oct 21 12.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

PJW on where we are currently.

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An interesting video. We got Covid from my son from school. However, there is no mass testing in Ireland. If there were, the cases would be miles higher. Which is exactly why there is no testing.
Currently, all testing is PCR and has to be booked in advance, and only if specific symptoms are present will they give you an appointment.

Red and Blue Army!

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BlueJay UK 25 Oct 21 1.30am
A high attack rate of 90% of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant infections in crew personnel on a single navy ship ROK Navy Ship off the west coast of Africa. "272 soldiers out of the 301 soldiers (90.4%) were infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Delta variant of concern (VOC) on a single navy ship. The navy ship, with the soldiers, departed from a harbor in the Korean peninsula, East Asia on February 8, 2021, and headed towards the mission location.1 During the mission in the Gulf of Guinea, the ship stayed at a harbor in the mission location from June 28 to July 1, 2021.1 The first report of a symptom occurred on July 2, 2021. The accumulated numbers of confirmed cases of SARS-CoV-2 Delta VOC infections were reported to be 6, 247, and 272, on July 14, 16, and 26, respectively." None were vaccinated so it provides an interesting case study thats more akin to situations at the start of the pandemic with previous varients. 0% mortality, as we'd hope in the young. 7% were however hospitalised, and 2.2% severely ill. It brings home how easy it is for health services to buckle due to covid. The above was the eventual tally of this incident: [Link] Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2021 2.01am)
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UK 25 Oct 21 1.30am

A high attack rate of 90% of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant infections in crew personnel on a single navy ship

ROK Navy Ship off the west coast of Africa.

"272 soldiers out of the 301 soldiers (90.4%) were infected with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Delta variant of concern (VOC) on a single navy ship. The navy ship, with the soldiers, departed from a harbor in the Korean peninsula, East Asia on February 8, 2021, and headed towards the mission location.1 During the mission in the Gulf of Guinea, the ship stayed at a harbor in the mission location from June 28 to July 1, 2021.1 The first report of a symptom occurred on July 2, 2021. The accumulated numbers of confirmed cases of SARS-CoV-2 Delta VOC infections were reported to be 6, 247, and 272, on July 14, 16, and 26, respectively."

None were vaccinated so it provides an interesting case study thats more akin to situations at the start of the pandemic with previous varients.

0% mortality, as we'd hope in the young. 7% were however hospitalised, and 2.2% severely ill. It brings home how easy it is for health services to buckle due to covid.

The above was the eventual tally of this incident: [Link]

Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2021 2.01am)

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BlueJay UK 25 Oct 21 1.37am
In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan - [Link] Quote On Wednesday, the NIH sent a letter to members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that acknowledged two facts. One was that EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City–based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold. The NIH based these disclosures on a research progress report that EcoHealth Alliance sent to the agency in August, roughly two years after it was supposed to. An NIH spokesperson told Vanity Fair that Dr. Fauci was “entirely truthful in his statements to Congress,” and that he did not have the progress report that detailed the controversial research at the time he testified in July. But EcoHealth Alliance appeared to contradict that claim, and said in a statement: “These data were reported as soon as we were made aware, in our year four report in April 2018.” The letter from the NIH, and an accompanying analysis, stipulated that the virus EcoHealth Alliance was researching could not have sparked the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, given the sizable genetic differences between the two. In a statement issued Wednesday, NIH director Dr. Francis Collins said that his agency “wants to set the record straight” on EcoHealth Alliance’s research, but added that any claims that it could have caused the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic are “demonstrably false.” EcoHealth Alliance said in a statement that the science clearly proved that its research could not have led to the pandemic, and that it was “working with the NIH to promptly address what we believe to be a misconception about the grant’s reporting requirements and what the data from our research showed.” The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins But the NIH letter—coming after months of congressional demands for more information—seemed to underscore that America’s premier science institute has been less than forthcoming about risky research it has funded and failed to properly monitor.
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BlueJay

UK 25 Oct 21 1.37am

In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan - [Link]

Quote On Wednesday, the NIH sent a letter to members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that acknowledged two facts. One was that EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City–based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold.

The NIH based these disclosures on a research progress report that EcoHealth Alliance sent to the agency in August, roughly two years after it was supposed to. An NIH spokesperson told Vanity Fair that Dr. Fauci was “entirely truthful in his statements to Congress,” and that he did not have the progress report that detailed the controversial research at the time he testified in July. But EcoHealth Alliance appeared to contradict that claim, and said in a statement: “These data were reported as soon as we were made aware, in our year four report in April 2018.”

The letter from the NIH, and an accompanying analysis, stipulated that the virus EcoHealth Alliance was researching could not have sparked the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, given the sizable genetic differences between the two. In a statement issued Wednesday, NIH director Dr. Francis Collins said that his agency “wants to set the record straight” on EcoHealth Alliance’s research, but added that any claims that it could have caused the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic are “demonstrably false.”

EcoHealth Alliance said in a statement that the science clearly proved that its research could not have led to the pandemic, and that it was “working with the NIH to promptly address what we believe to be a misconception about the grant’s reporting requirements and what the data from our research showed.”
The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins

But the NIH letter—coming after months of congressional demands for more information—seemed to underscore that America’s premier science institute has been less than forthcoming about risky research it has funded and failed to properly monitor.

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BlueJay UK 04 Nov 21 4.39pm
High-risk Covid gene more common in South Asians - [Link] Quote University of Oxford scientists have uncovered a gene that doubles the risk of lung failure and death from Covid. They say 60% of people from South Asian backgrounds and 15% of people of European ancestry carry the high-risk version of the gene. Vaccines are key and help significantly reduce these risks, researchers say. The Nature Genetics study sheds light on why some communities in the UK and South Asia are at higher risk from Covid - but does not fully explain it. Building on previous genetic work, researchers used a combination of artificial intelligence and new molecular technology to pinpoint the exact gene - called LZTF1 - responsible for the increased risks. They estimate the risky version of the gene is present in about 2% of people from African-Caribbean backgrounds and 1.8% of people of East Asian decent. Lead researcher Prof James Davies said the discovery that the risky gene does not affect all populations equally was very important. But he said a complex mix of factors - including age in particular - contributed to each person's individual risk.
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UK 04 Nov 21 4.39pm

High-risk Covid gene more common in South Asians - [Link]

Quote University of Oxford scientists have uncovered a gene that doubles the risk of lung failure and death from Covid.

They say 60% of people from South Asian backgrounds and 15% of people of European ancestry carry the high-risk version of the gene.

Vaccines are key and help significantly reduce these risks, researchers say.

The Nature Genetics study sheds light on why some communities in the UK and South Asia are at higher risk from Covid - but does not fully explain it.

Building on previous genetic work, researchers used a combination of artificial intelligence and new molecular technology to pinpoint the exact gene - called LZTF1 - responsible for the increased risks.

They estimate the risky version of the gene is present in about 2% of people from African-Caribbean backgrounds and 1.8% of people of East Asian decent.

Lead researcher Prof James Davies said the discovery that the risky gene does not affect all populations equally was very important.

But he said a complex mix of factors - including age in particular - contributed to each person's individual risk.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 07 Nov 21 8.49am
A few days ago , with new Covid variants increasing infection rates, the Government announces drop-in centres for booster jabs. No appointment needed. F-cking madness. Unregulated numbers of people at Vaccination centres. Welsh Government didn't adopt drop-in centres. You still have to book an appointment. Got a booster jab yesterday, nice and orderly. Loads of and wash and seat wipes for the waiting area. (you have to wait 10 minutes after the jab, just to ensure no severe side-effects). Thank goodness the Welsh Government actually adopt some common-sense approaches, which Westminster seems to be lacking in bucket-loads I disengage, I turn the page.
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A few days ago , with new Covid variants increasing infection rates, the Government announces drop-in centres for booster jabs. No appointment needed.
F-cking madness. Unregulated numbers of people at Vaccination centres.
Welsh Government didn't adopt drop-in centres. You still have to book an appointment. Got a booster jab yesterday, nice and orderly. Loads of and wash and seat wipes for the waiting area. (you have to wait 10 minutes after the jab, just to ensure no severe side-effects).
Thank goodness the Welsh Government actually adopt some common-sense approaches, which Westminster seems to be lacking in bucket-loads

I disengage, I turn the page.

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BlueJay UK 07 Nov 21 2.29pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly A few days ago , with new Covid variants increasing infection rates, the Government announces drop-in centres for booster jabs. No appointment needed. F-cking madness. Unregulated numbers of people at Vaccination centres. Welsh Government didn't adopt drop-in centres. You still have to book an appointment. Got a booster jab yesterday, nice and orderly. Loads of and wash and seat wipes for the waiting area. (you have to wait 10 minutes after the jab, just to ensure no severe side-effects). Thank goodness the Welsh Government actually adopt some common-sense approaches, which Westminster seems to be lacking in bucket-loads Yes, it is all a bit haphazard. I've all but given up trying to keep track of it, though am pleased that many of the vulnerable around me have now had it. Glad you got your booster too! Good health to you.
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BlueJay

UK 07 Nov 21 2.29pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Yes, it is all a bit haphazard. I've all but given up trying to keep track of it, though am pleased that many of the vulnerable around me have now had it.

Glad you got your booster too! Good health to you.

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BlueJay UK 08 Nov 21 6.12am
Hello good people. Remember that you can now 'book' your booster jab (if eligible) if it's 5 months after your previous one: [Link] You still have to wait 6 months to actually have it mind you, but good to get a date sorted anyway, unless you've going the walk-in route. Some of the early data suggest that it boosts protection by 90%+ above levels present after six months in those already vaccinated (rather than unnvaccinated), so it's basically as good as it's going to get, since two jabs already made a big difference, and likely worth your time. I would think going forward there will likely to one jab per year for those who need or want it. Edited by BlueJay (08 Nov 2021 6.18am)
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UK 08 Nov 21 6.12am

Hello good people. Remember that you can now 'book' your booster jab (if eligible) if it's 5 months after your previous one:

[Link]

You still have to wait 6 months to actually have it mind you, but good to get a date sorted anyway, unless you've going the walk-in route.

Some of the early data suggest that it boosts protection by 90%+ above levels present after six months in those already vaccinated (rather than unnvaccinated), so it's basically as good as it's going to get, since two jabs already made a big difference, and likely worth your time.

I would think going forward there will likely to one jab per year for those who need or want it.

Edited by BlueJay (08 Nov 2021 6.18am)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 08 Nov 21 8.55am
I think bluejay is probably quite close to how it'll play out. I can foresee developments/upgrades in the vaccines to combat different strains, which will only come over time. Just to add, which is what a nurse told us as we left the Jab Centre yesterday,,.."You still have to follow Covid guidance. You must assume you can still contract and pass-on Covid, especially to the vulnerable. It just mean you are less likely to suffer the bad effects yourself" I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 08 Nov 21 8.55am

I think bluejay is probably quite close to how it'll play out. I can foresee developments/upgrades in the vaccines to combat different strains, which will only come over time.

Just to add, which is what a nurse told us as we left the Jab Centre yesterday,,.."You still have to follow Covid guidance. You must assume you can still contract and pass-on Covid, especially to the vulnerable. It just mean you are less likely to suffer the bad effects yourself"

I disengage, I turn the page.

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BlueJay UK 08 Nov 21 9.45am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I think bluejay is probably quite close to how it'll play out. I can foresee developments/upgrades in the vaccines to combat different strains, which will only come over time. Just to add, which is what a nurse told us as we left the Jab Centre yesterday,,.."You still have to follow Covid guidance. You must assume you can still contract and pass-on Covid, especially to the vulnerable. It just mean you are less likely to suffer the bad effects yourself" Yes, I expect it will approach a flu jab type situation, and may even be offered as one combined jab in years ahead (though with the option not to, for those who don't want both). It'll just be part of life from now on and a sensible option as we age and our immunity drops. Plus a better option than natural infection for others too really, aside from possibly the young. Scientific understanding and treatments in the pipeline have come along an awful lot over the last year. Reasonably effective mRNA vaccines for malaria are on their way, cancer, HIV vaccines may well follow. There are many negatives about this time, but positives also.
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UK 08 Nov 21 9.45am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I think bluejay is probably quite close to how it'll play out. I can foresee developments/upgrades in the vaccines to combat different strains, which will only come over time.

Yes, I expect it will approach a flu jab type situation, and may even be offered as one combined jab in years ahead (though with the option not to, for those who don't want both). It'll just be part of life from now on and a sensible option as we age and our immunity drops. Plus a better option than natural infection for others too really, aside from possibly the young.

Scientific understanding and treatments in the pipeline have come along an awful lot over the last year. Reasonably effective mRNA vaccines for malaria are on their way, cancer, HIV vaccines may well follow. There are many negatives about this time, but positives also.

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