Not quite. I probably wasn’t overly clear in how I articulated my thoughts. I think we need an enquiry to understand what mistakes were made and how to ensure we learn from them (and take ownership - an apology not a kick in as none had done this before). BUT I fully appreciate and accept that decisions had to be made quickly and we absolutely had to keep the economy working. We may not be that far apart. I think there’s a global learning here and the learnings I’d like to see are how to balance deaths whilst keeping the country open. So PPE manufactured here, continued development of vaccines and treatments etc and a robust plan that considers how we keep going, keep freedoms whilst protecting people going forwards.

I just dislike the constant anti-U.K. sniping from some on here. It’s really bloody jarring.

Edited by Helmet46 (13 Oct 2021 8.55am)

Not quite. I probably wasn’t overly clear in how I articulated my thoughts. I think we need an enquiry to understand what mistakes were made and how to ensure we learn from them (and take ownership - an apology not a kick in as none had done this before). BUT I fully appreciate and accept that decisions had to be made quickly and we absolutely had to keep the economy working. We may not be that far apart. I think there’s a global learning here and the learnings I’d like to see are how to balance deaths whilst keeping the country open. So PPE manufactured here, continued development of vaccines and treatments etc and a robust plan that considers how we keep going, keep freedoms whilst protecting people going forwards.

I just dislike the constant anti-U.K. sniping from some on here. It’s really bloody jarring.

Edited by Helmet46 (13 Oct 2021 8.55am)

Do not confuse anger at a truly awful current Government with sniping at the UK.

And if you don’t believe the Government is poor as hell, why not take take into consideration the words ‘worst public health failure ever’. And believe me, I saw that up close and personal.

I have some scepticism about the approaches adopted by the UK Government and businesses.
I concur that every post-war Government has had criticism. That's why elections are lost..
What does get my goat, is the reliance on science,...scientists on the payroll of the Government. And this continual spouting of 'guided by the science', when in fact it was a balance between population welfare and the economy.
The awarding of contracts, such as PPE and the Test and Trace farce really needs examining in detail.

What is currently gripping my 5hlt, is the promoted Christmas shortages by the media. Someone in the media is getting a pay-off to publicise this, perhaps by manufacturers and retailers, but maybe also by Government to try and stimulate the economy.
Who knows ? I can just see chaos in the High Street in the coming weeks.

A neighbour told me this last night. He got a call from Track and Trace a couple of weeks ago.

Caller: you have to self isolate, now I need you to answer some security questions.

Neighbour: no, I don’t know who you are give me some details first. It then went back and forth eventually my neighbour said unless you tell me the details of this COVID contact I am not co-operating.

Caller. You were on a flight from Berlin to London.

Neighbour. Actually I wasn’t, I booked a return flight from London but never left the country, never checked in at London or Berlin and never completed a passenger locator form. In short I cancelled the flight so there was no contact. Now I will answer your questions (no point, caller agreed he didn’t need to self isolate).

Summary:
From this call it was obvious that Track and Trace had been given basic flight information which was clearly wrong if my neighbour hadn’t demanded the details he would have had to self isolate for nothing.

Why the secrecy? He wasn’t asking for the personal details of the person in the next seat just simply where and when they were very reluctant to tell him.

What is the point of passport control, check in and the passenger locator form if the data for any of them had been used they wouldn’t have contacted him.

So if you are contacted by Track and Trace demand to know the where and the when, if it is correct of course you should self isolate but make them divulge first as their data is unreliable.

PS
My neighbour’s son lives in Thailand for a laugh he downloaded the NHS COVID App and within a couple of hours was told he had to self isolate as he had contact in London. What nonsense