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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Oct 21 11.25am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow The narrative will still be that they "did all they could" In any sort of functioning government, a report this damning would result in sackings - this will probably lead to an improvement in Tory polling. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (12 Oct 2021 11.11am) Just wondering if you prefer the New Zealand and Australia approach? Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Oct 21 11.25am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The narrative will still be that they "did all they could"

In any sort of functioning government, a report this damning would result in sackings - this will probably lead to an improvement in Tory polling.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (12 Oct 2021 11.11am)

Just wondering if you prefer the New Zealand and Australia approach?

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BlueJay UK 12 Oct 21 11.44am
Originally posted by Badger11 They also said that Wales did and it made no difference. Of course the government has to carry the blame however it is clear that there were many fingers in that pie and not just politicians. Public health England was shown up to be an expensive waste of money and not up to the job. I presume that a new body will be created. As for the PPE scandal I hope there will be a separate investigation to see who got the contacts and why. Yes, I must say, due to the unique nature of the problem we were dealing with it's very easy to criticise the government. Realistically every nation was winging it, and the outcome was always going to look very negative when compared to the status quo whatever approach was taken so I have a degree of sympathy for their position. There are so many variables at play, that anyone who feels they know better, likely doesn't. Economically even, for all intents and purposes it's a matter of a few degrees this way and that with regard to outcome as it is an inescapable global issue, not a local one.
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Originally posted by Badger11

They also said that Wales did and it made no difference.

Of course the government has to carry the blame however it is clear that there were many fingers in that pie and not just politicians. Public health England was shown up to be an expensive waste of money and not up to the job. I presume that a new body will be created.

As for the PPE scandal I hope there will be a separate investigation to see who got the contacts and why.

Yes, I must say, due to the unique nature of the problem we were dealing with it's very easy to criticise the government. Realistically every nation was winging it, and the outcome was always going to look very negative when compared to the status quo whatever approach was taken so I have a degree of sympathy for their position. There are so many variables at play, that anyone who feels they know better, likely doesn't. Economically even, for all intents and purposes it's a matter of a few degrees this way and that with regard to outcome as it is an inescapable global issue, not a local one.

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Orange1290 12 Oct 21 11.56am
Originally posted by ASCPFC Just wondering if you prefer the New Zealand and Australia approach? How about 'preferring' the many European countries approach on the UK's doorstep? For example, proper lockdowns, policed strictly in the streets requiring official forms/sms that were checked instead of the usual noncommittal 'advisory' from the UK government which led to 130,000 deaths, 39,000 of which were in care homes. Even now the UK has one of the highest infection rates in Europe. Why never learn from those who had better plans and better funding? It's down to the stupid 'pride' of a divisive government that refuses to admit it made mistakes unless lots of time has passed and they feel they can get away with the disaster they created. Edited by Orange1290 (12 Oct 2021 11.56am) Pro China, EU & Palestine
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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Just wondering if you prefer the New Zealand and Australia approach?

How about 'preferring' the many European countries approach on the UK's doorstep? For example, proper lockdowns, policed strictly in the streets requiring official forms/sms that were checked instead of the usual noncommittal 'advisory' from the UK government which led to 130,000 deaths, 39,000 of which were in care homes. Even now the UK has one of the highest infection rates in Europe. Why never learn from those who had better plans and better funding? It's down to the stupid 'pride' of a divisive government that refuses to admit it made mistakes unless lots of time has passed and they feel they can get away with the disaster they created.

Edited by Orange1290 (12 Oct 2021 11.56am)

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crystal-purley Purley 12 Oct 21 12.52pm
Originally posted by Lombardinho You're right, cryrst, time will tell. If, however, you may be curious enough to find out how we got to where we are today, I recommend this half hour talk by Robert Kennedy Jr (JFK's nephew). I recently got called out on these threads for posting something that just happened to be on the platform known as Bitchute. All I can say to that is critisize the message if you wish, but don't shoot the messenger. [Link] Just listened to this and it is an eye-opener. Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).
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Originally posted by Lombardinho

You're right, cryrst, time will tell.
If, however, you may be curious enough to find out how we got to where we are today, I recommend this half hour talk by Robert Kennedy Jr (JFK's nephew).

I recently got called out on these threads for posting something that just happened to be on the platform known as Bitchute.
All I can say to that is critisize the message if you wish, but don't shoot the messenger.

[Link]

Just listened to this and it is an eye-opener.

Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Oct 21 2.55pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky Not my words, but an MPS report, including CONS! This was one of the worst ever public health failures! The failure of locking down immediately, and a week after our EU counterparts, cost thousands of lives! Bungle told us in week one to go down the pub, have covid parties and mix, go to Cheltenham, then a week later to stay in or you will be fined and do not mix! This cost thousands of lives, then putting covid positive people in to care homes with the most vulnearble added to the 44000 people passing away who had tested positive of covid! Add the £14 billion of PPE money carved up among the CONservative cabinet and their friends-one of bungles lady friends turned her dog food business in to a million pound dog food and ppe business overnight! The vaccine was rushed out, so we could beat those rascals in the EU, only for it to be deemed inferior by our own people and can"t be used on under 16"s, the Belgian vaccine is better and has proved so in most of the EU, who have overtaken us in the rollout! On LBC this morning, a CONservative cabinet minister was asked by Nick Ferrari, a big CONservative himself, if the minister wanted to apologise in the absense of the PM on a much deserved holiday-(its 6 weeks since his last)-he was asked 5 or 6 times if he wanted to apologise and refused each time, saying nothing to apologise for! Sone bloke just called LBC and said "dont blame boris, he"s just a silly sausage"! I beg to differ!
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Not my words, but an MPS report, including CONS! This was one of the worst ever public health failures! The failure of locking down immediately, and a week after our EU counterparts, cost thousands of lives! Bungle told us in week one to go down the pub, have covid parties and mix, go to Cheltenham, then a week later to stay in or you will be fined and do not mix! This cost thousands of lives, then putting covid positive people in to care homes with the most vulnearble added to the 44000 people passing away who had tested positive of covid! Add the £14 billion of PPE money carved up among the CONservative cabinet and their friends-one of bungles lady friends turned her dog food business in to a million pound dog food and ppe business overnight! The vaccine was rushed out, so we could beat those rascals in the EU, only for it to be deemed inferior by our own people and can"t be used on under 16"s, the Belgian vaccine is better and has proved so in most of the EU, who have overtaken us in the rollout! On LBC this morning, a CONservative cabinet minister was asked by Nick Ferrari, a big CONservative himself, if the minister wanted to apologise in the absense of the PM on a much deserved holiday-(its 6 weeks since his last)-he was asked 5 or 6 times if he wanted to apologise and refused each time, saying nothing to apologise for! Sone bloke just called LBC and said "dont blame boris, he"s just a silly sausage"! I beg to differ!

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nettletoneagle market rasen 12 Oct 21 3.05pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky Originally posted by croydon proud Not my words, but an MPS report, including CONS! This was one of the worst ever public health failures! The failure of locking down immediately, and a week after our EU counterparts, cost thousands of lives! Bungle told us in week one to go down the pub, have covid parties and mix, go to Cheltenham, then a week later to stay in or you will be fined and do not mix! This cost thousands of lives, then putting covid positive people in to care homes with the most vulnearble added to the 44000 people passing away who had tested positive of covid! Add the £14 billion of PPE money carved up among the CONservative cabinet and their friends-one of bungles lady friends turned her dog food business in to a million pound dog food and ppe business overnight! The vaccine was rushed out, so we could beat those rascals in the EU, only for it to be deemed inferior by our own people and can"t be used on under 16"s, the Belgian vaccine is better and has proved so in most of the EU, who have overtaken us in the rollout! On LBC this morning, a CONservative cabinet minister was asked by Nick Ferrari, a big CONservative himself, if the minister wanted to apologise in the absense of the PM on a much deserved holiday-(its 6 weeks since his last)-he was asked 5 or 6 times if he wanted to apologise and refused each time, saying nothing to apologise for! Sone bloke just called LBC and said "dont blame boris, he"s just a silly sausage"! I beg to differ! Light the BLUE touchpaper and retreat! Wait for the usual excuses CP, it's not Bungle's fault, it's the EU conspiracy etc etc
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky

Originally posted by croydon proud

Light the BLUE touchpaper and retreat! Wait for the usual excuses CP, it's not Bungle's fault, it's the EU conspiracy etc etc

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Oct 21 3.11pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky Originally posted by nettletoneagle Light the BLUE touchpaper and retreat! Wait for the usual excuses CP, it's not Bungle's fault, it's the EU conspiracy etc etc Yes, nettleton, I already have one or two in mind who will be first in line, blame anyone or anything bar bungle and his cabinet!
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Originally posted by nettletoneagle

Light the BLUE touchpaper and retreat! Wait for the usual excuses CP, it's not Bungle's fault, it's the EU conspiracy etc etc

Yes, nettleton, I already have one or two in mind who will be first in line, blame anyone or anything bar bungle and his cabinet!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Oct 21 3.33pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky Luckily, the EU and rest of the world dealt with it excellently and are beyond reproach. I would agree that the cost of PPE and the contact tracing needs to be properly investigated (expensive parliamentary investigation to take years). However, the overall response was no worse than other countries. To be fair, Ireland has not handled it any differently. Probably worse, yet the difference is our press will not complain. They suck at the government teet for funding and are basically the government media. Red and Blue Army!
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Luckily, the EU and rest of the world dealt with it excellently and are beyond reproach.
I would agree that the cost of PPE and the contact tracing needs to be properly investigated (expensive parliamentary investigation to take years). However, the overall response was no worse than other countries.
To be fair, Ireland has not handled it any differently. Probably worse, yet the difference is our press will not complain. They suck at the government teet for funding and are basically the government media.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 12 Oct 21 3.35pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky It was a whole new and unprecedented situation. Any government, especially a relatively new one, would have struggled to manage it in a way that was more successful so give them some slack. However, their biggest mistake early on, was to keep our borders open for so long. Allowed a lot of infections into the country. They've offered a public enquiry but that seems an unnecessary expense and use of time in light of this latest report. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky

It was a whole new and unprecedented situation. Any government, especially a relatively new one, would have struggled to manage it in a way that was more successful so give them some slack.

However, their biggest mistake early on, was to keep our borders open for so long. Allowed a lot of infections into the country.

They've offered a public enquiry but that seems an unnecessary expense and use of time in light of this latest report.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Oct 21 3.39pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 How about 'preferring' the many European countries approach on the UK's doorstep? For example, proper lockdowns, policed strictly in the streets requiring official forms/sms that were checked instead of the usual noncommittal 'advisory' from the UK government which led to 130,000 deaths, 39,000 of which were in care homes. Even now the UK has one of the highest infection rates in Europe. Why never learn from those who had better plans and better funding? It's down to the stupid 'pride' of a divisive government that refuses to admit it made mistakes unless lots of time has passed and they feel they can get away with the disaster they created. Edited by Orange1290 (12 Oct 2021 11.56am) I've been all over Europe recently, have family in Denmark and France. Denmark have had the same approach as UK. Frankly, France was far more draconian, yet completely ineffective, at dealing with any part of it. Of course, the Germans project they did great, yet look at how their statistics are compiled and the truth becomes further muddied. I can't speak for every country, yet Ireland's response could easily be labelled as a joke. The UK seems relatively average in it's response from what I've seen. Red and Blue Army!
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Originally posted by Orange1290

Edited by Orange1290 (12 Oct 2021 11.56am)

I've been all over Europe recently, have family in Denmark and France. Denmark have had the same approach as UK. Frankly, France was far more draconian, yet completely ineffective, at dealing with any part of it. Of course, the Germans project they did great, yet look at how their statistics are compiled and the truth becomes further muddied. I can't speak for every country, yet Ireland's response could easily be labelled as a joke. The UK seems relatively average in it's response from what I've seen.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Oct 21 3.41pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer It was a whole new and unprecedented situation. Any government, especially a relatively new one, would have struggled to manage it in a way that was more successful so give them some slack. However, their biggest mistake early on, was to keep our borders open for so long. Allowed a lot of infections into the country. They've offered a public enquiry but that seems an unnecessary expense and use of time in light of this latest report. Except nearly every other government in the world.
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

It was a whole new and unprecedented situation. Any government, especially a relatively new one, would have struggled to manage it in a way that was more successful so give them some slack.

However, their biggest mistake early on, was to keep our borders open for so long. Allowed a lot of infections into the country.

They've offered a public enquiry but that seems an unnecessary expense and use of time in light of this latest report.

Except nearly every other government in the world.

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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Oct 21 3.43pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Conservatives early covid response was a failure.' by becky We actually have Macron to thank as he threatened to close their borders until Johnson got a grip. It seemed to have moved him from complete denial like Trump to vague acknowledgement, it was an interruption to his post-brexit dreams he just didn't get that it was real. You would always give an administration some slack in such an event I guess, but of course in doing so the s***e can truly hit the fan, as happened here.
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We actually have Macron to thank as he threatened to close their borders until Johnson got a grip.

It seemed to have moved him from complete denial like Trump to vague acknowledgement, it was an interruption to his post-brexit dreams he just didn't get that it was real.

You would always give an administration some slack in such an event I guess, but of course in doing so the s***e can truly hit the fan, as happened here.

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