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 Teddy Eagle  01 Dec 23 9.00am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They didn’t actually. Netanyahu depends on the far right orthodox parties to prop up a coalition. This has resulted in the most extreme Israeli government in its history. It is the inflexibility of this government which is the reason why the current strategy is so counterproductive. Most of the people are more sensible and liberal but until they resume control nothing will improve. This is one group of religious fundamentalists seeking to eliminate another group. They won’t because you cannot eliminate an idea. You can only manage it and reduce the numbers who believe in it by making alternative ideas better. Developing Gaza, making it a safe and prosperous place to live, where the children are more interested in getting their hands on an iPhone than an AZ47, would be a much more sensible strategy. Getting their hands on an Ibanez guitar is that much of a threat?
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 Hrolf The Ganger  01 Dec 23 9.03am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They didn’t actually. Netanyahu depends on the far right orthodox parties to prop up a coalition. This has resulted in the most extreme Israeli government in its history. It is the inflexibility of this government which is the reason why the current strategy is so counterproductive. Most of the people are more sensible and liberal but until they resume control nothing will improve. This is one group of religious fundamentalists seeking to eliminate another group. They won’t because you cannot eliminate an idea. You can only manage it and reduce the numbers who believe in it by making alternative ideas better. Developing Gaza, making it a safe and prosperous place to live, where the children are more interested in getting their hands on an iPhone than an AZ47, would be a much more sensible strategy. He formed a government and that is all that matters. You keep living in your fantasy, if you like. There will never be a two state solution, whoever runs Israel. Hamas want to exterminate all Jews.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Dec 23 9.44am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The IRA were not the government of Eire, Hamas are the government of Gaza. a) Have you heard of Sinn Féin?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Dec 23 9.45am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The difference is that Hamas wishes to kill all Jews. The IRA wanted the end of British rule and a united Ireland. The difference is that the British government were not comfortable with mass slaughter of civilians.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Dec 23 9.52am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I'm no expert. And I only get information through media outlets. But the attached photo (purportedly from Gaza) doesn't suggest to me that very targeted attacks on Hamas were conducted. The whole place looks smashed to pieces. It's complete pretence - there is nothing remotely targeted about what the IDF are doing. There have been tens of Palestinian deaths in the west bank as a result of IDF action since October 7th - the same west bank where the IDF acknowledge there is no Hamas. Amongst the over ten thousand dead, I believe at last count the IDF were claiming around 60 Hamas casualties, so you're talking over 99% of casualties being civilians. If any Western power undertook military action with that type of ratio of civilian deaths, it would be widely condemned by the international community.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Dec 23 10.47am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The difference is that the British government were not comfortable with mass slaughter of civilians. No, that is a massive oversimplification. This is not a situation of ideals. You are dealing with people who fear for their very existence v pure hatred. Of course Israel should never be there, but we are way past that. The Irish situation had a very different parameter.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Dec 23 11.00am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No, that is a massive oversimplification. This is not a situation of ideals. You are dealing with people who fear for their very existence v pure hatred. Of course Israel should never be there, but we are way past that. The Irish situation had a very different parameter. Of course every conflict is different, but it doesn’t make them incomparable. I don’t know of any other situation where a relative military superpower could undertake a campaign which kills over 99 civilians for every one hostile, and this been seen as acceptable. Every conflict is unique, but there are consistent rules of engagement and international law which the IDF have flagrantly disregarded throughout. An Israeli sniper yesterday shot an 8 year old Palestinian boy in the head, immediately followed by shooting a 14 year old through the chest. No amount of mental gymnastics makes that acceptable.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Dec 23 11.28am |
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A view of anti-Semitism within the Labour party.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Dec 23 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Of course every conflict is different, but it doesn’t make them incomparable. I don’t know of any other situation where a relative military superpower could undertake a campaign which kills over 99 civilians for every one hostile, and this been seen as acceptable. Every conflict is unique, but there are consistent rules of engagement and international law which the IDF have flagrantly disregarded throughout. An Israeli sniper yesterday shot an 8 year old Palestinian boy in the head, immediately followed by shooting a 14 year old through the chest. No amount of mental gymnastics makes that acceptable. You can compare it all you like, but it is not reasonable. There will be no peace. You have to accept that. There are many countries in the region who could resettle Palestinians, but they won't. They don't want Hamas or their sympathisers in their country and you can't blame them.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Dec 23 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You can compare it all you like, but it is not reasonable. There will be no peace. You have to accept that. There are many countries in the region who could resettle Palestinians, but they won't. They don't want Hamas or their sympathisers in their country and you can't blame them. What’s not reasonable is pretending this is the only conflict in modern history where deliberate mass killings of civilians is fine and there are no international laws governing this type of military action. We agree the best outcome is the least deaths of innocents - you think the way that’s achieved is giving a modern military force carte blance to murder children and civilians as they see fit.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Dec 23 6.23pm |
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I can’t believe this s*** still gets given air.
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| georgenorman 01 Dec 23 6.54pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What’s not reasonable is pretending this is the only conflict in modern history where deliberate mass killings of civilians is fine and there are no international laws governing this type of military action. We agree the best outcome is the least deaths of innocents - you think the way that’s achieved is giving a modern military force carte blance to murder children and civilians as they see fit. It is Hamas that have deliberately carried out mass killings of civilians. Israel have warned were they are about to strike in an attempt to limit civilian casualties.
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