So you’re now saying that sexually assaulting women is fine. Happens all the time?
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Trump has been accused of non-consensual sexual behaviour by 19 women, and of rape by his ex wife. Doubtless there are many others who are too frightened to speak out for fear of being sued or intimidation.

Do other men do this? Of course! But arguing that Trump can be excused because sexually frustrated drunkards in Infernos routinely harass women is...well, it’s batsh*t. What other moral standards are set at 2 am on a sweaty nightclub floor? It would be undeniably bad conduct for Trump to vomit down Macron’s suit at a summit then pass it off because ‘people do it all the time in Ibiza’. Likewise I’m sure you’d be pretty pissed off if you were on the tube and someone started belting out ‘Come on Eileen’ and hugging everyone on the carriage.

What Trump has done, however, is so clearly worse than those examples, because it involves a form of sexual intimidation which can deeply traumatise vulnerable women, and he does it because his powerful status and top grade legal team allow him to do so.

It’s actually pretty simple Stirling. Do you think sexual harassment is acceptable?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Ok, there are a lot of seemingly baseless assertions in your post, so let’s use this as a touch stone... [Link]

Trump had been accused 3 times before his run for President. He’s admitted on camera to walking in to the dressing rooms of Miss Teen America contestants. He’s subsequently been accused by over 50 anonymous individuals, and 19 public cases have been brought against him.

You say if he broke the law he should be punished, but surely the fact is that he knows he’s more or less immune with his legal team? How on earth, if you’re a budding model or waitress or whatever, can you possibly find a court case against Trump?

On a common sense level, how would you act if you’d had multiple accusations of sexual misconduct directed at you? Surely if you were innocent you’d ask for a fair trial in which the truth will out, you wouldn’t directly threaten to sue anyone who made accusations against you? If I didn’t know better, it looks like the actions of a self entitled paranoid billionaire with something to hide...

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Didn't his ex wife drop that claim?

People who are controversial and famous are accused of things all the time. Trump is a magnet.

When he's convicted of something we have something to talk about.

Your characterisation of men in nightclubs isn't the full picture by any means.

Anyway, anyone who thinks a president is meant to be a type of moral standard is a loony. Kennedy shagged his way through beautiful women, Bill Clinton also.....A president is meant to be good at his job....which is mostly the economy. So I view this through the same lens the French do.

I don't buy into this, 'the boss has to be likeable' narrative. Trump is a lying arsehole but he's effective for America in lots of ways Clinton would have failed at.

No I don't think genuine sexual harassment is acceptable. Also I don't think we would agree on what genuine sexual harassment is.

I don't think Trump is a rapist no......He's a chauvinist yes.....and so am I.

We probably stand at opposite ends of what society should be in multiple instances.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Heads up Serial, obviously I know it's meant to be a negative term.

However in these weird times where the far left dominate the media and education chauvinism is a word males are taking on to reject the left's pushing of 'toxic masculinity'. We reject its message of emasculation to boys and men.

A chauvinist in the Gavin McInnes definition of the word is an '"aggressive loyalty' towards western modernism and the rejection of third wave feminism.

The 'proud boys' are a far better fraternal organization for masculinity than the androgynous nothingness that modern day feminism wishes to demote men into.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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The Proud Boys have a four-degree initiation process for new members.[12] In the first degree, a recruit must declare "I am a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world."

I wander what role these people played? Did they invent penicillin, or maybe they laid down the railways, or stop the slave trade? So far all I can find is that one of them started Vice, obviously one of the great achievements of mankind...

The second degree, according to McInnes,[14] involves five or more Proud Boys punching the recruit until he names five breakfast cereals.

As if their name didn't sound gay enough. That sounds more homosexual than what Tommy Robinson must be going through (and secretly enjoying) in jail.

The Proud Boys' website says that the fourth degree is reserved for those who have "endured a major conflict related to the cause."[16][17] The SPLC has said this requires the recruit to get into a physical fight with an Antifa activist at a public rally

That sounds like the exact kind of organisation I'd like me and any future children I have to join. I can't think of a better way to hide my latent homosexuality from myself than beating up an activist in the name of freedom.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4