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Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 02 Aug 14 1.23pm Send a Private Message to Oliver Add Oliver as a friend

Quote Seth at 02 Aug 2014 1.08pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 2.28am

Quote Seth at 02 Aug 2014 2.20am

"When Genocide is Permissible" from the Times of Israel. The piece has been taken down, but it states clearly what many feel is already happening: [Link]


So do you believe that Israel are going to stay in Gaza and kill all the Palestinians there then Seth?

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I believe they are in the process of committing "slow genocide". They will gradually make things so bad in Gaza, and kill so many, that eventually all Gazans will be dead or driven into exile, and the land will be grabbed by Israel. Then they will turn their attention to the West Bank.

The concept of a "Greater Israel", encompassing ALL the ancient land of Palestine, has been their aim since the state of Israel was created. And it's happening, right now, in front of our eyes, with US backing and the rest of the world looking on an shrugging their shoulders.


Genocide or ethnic cleansing

 


I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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legaleagle Flag 02 Aug 14 2.29pm

"Greater Israel" in the way you put it has been the aim of a strand of minority politics in Israel since 1947,not majority.Bit like saying, in a different context, what UKIP aspires to has been/is government policy.

Were what you say to take place, it would be getting close to genocide just like if HAMAS' charter was implemented in the whole area. But, it seems to me that objectively (and leaving out present events in Gaza which I am fundamentally opposed to)there are two points:

1.Israel is not set upon "reoccupying" Gaza or making it an "empty land" ready for settlement.

2. There are serious issues re settlements on the West Bank and my own position is things should revert to the 1967 borders, with the difference that the whole of Jerusalem be under UN control rather E Jerusalem than Jordanian control as a part of Jordan as it was pre-1967.But, Greater Israel, on the terms you assert is not on any government agenda in Israel, other than fringe parties or loony elements of more mainstream parties, just like HAMAS' charter (openly seeking extermination of all Jews on religious grounds) and sharia law (with discrimination against Christians) does not reflect the aims of all Palestinians.

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reborn 02 Aug 14 5.15pm Send a Private Message to reborn Add reborn as a friend

Whilst what Israel is doing is wrong, Hamas are evil and dont care at all about the people of Gaza...less than Israel.

Its also telling that no-one is discussing the massacre of Muslims by the Muslims of Isis, more in one day than in this entire 'war'.

Why when Jews are involved is everything so much worse?

 


My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 02 Aug 14 6.20pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 02 Aug 2014 2.29pm

"Greater Israel" in the way you put it has been the aim of a strand of minority politics in Israel since 1947,not majority.Bit like saying, in a different context, what UKIP aspires to has been/is government policy.

Were what you say to take place, it would be getting close to genocide just like if HAMAS' charter was implemented in the whole area. But, it seems to me that objectively (and leaving out present events in Gaza which I am fundamentally opposed to)there are two points:

1.Israel is not set upon "reoccupying" Gaza or making it an "empty land" ready for settlement.

2. There are serious issues re settlements on the West Bank and my own position is things should revert to the 1967 borders, with the difference that the whole of Jerusalem be under UN control rather E Jerusalem than Jordanian control as a part of Jordan as it was pre-1967.But, Greater Israel, on the terms you assert is not on any government agenda in Israel, other than fringe parties or loony elements of more mainstream parties, just like HAMAS' charter (openly seeking extermination of all Jews on religious grounds) and sharia law (with discrimination against Christians) does not reflect the aims of all Palestinians.

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I think legaleagle should use a spell checker before he posts


 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 02 Aug 14 6.40pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Quote reborn at 02 Aug 2014 5.15pm

Whilst what Israel is doing is wrong, Hamas are evil and dont care at all about the people of Gaza...less than Israel.

Its also telling that no-one is discussing the massacre of Muslims by the Muslims of Isis, more in one day than in this entire 'war'.

Why when Jews are involved is everything so much worse?


Why, indeed.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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glazedallover Flag Allier 02 Aug 14 6.46pm Send a Private Message to glazedallover Add glazedallover as a friend

Are Matt, stirling, nick,Kermit et al on their way out now to implement the solution they have come up with?

 

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legaleagle Flag 02 Aug 14 6.49pm

Quote Slimey Toad at 02 Aug 2014 6.20pm

Quote legaleagle at 02 Aug 2014 2.29pm

"Greater Israel" in the way you put it has been the aim of a strand of minority politics in Israel since 1947,not majority.Bit like saying, in a different context, what UKIP aspires to has been/is government policy.

Were what you say to take place, it would be getting close to genocide just like if HAMAS' charter was implemented in the whole area. But, it seems to me that objectively (and leaving out present events in Gaza which I am fundamentally opposed to)there are two points:

1.Israel is not set upon "reoccupying" Gaza or making it an "empty land" ready for settlement.

2. There are serious issues re settlements on the West Bank and my own position is things should revert to the 1967 borders, with the difference that the whole of Jerusalem be under UN control rather E Jerusalem than Jordanian control as a part of Jordan as it was pre-1967.But, Greater Israel, on the terms you assert is not on any government agenda in Israel, other than fringe parties or loony elements of more mainstream parties, just like HAMAS' charter (openly seeking extermination of all Jews on religious grounds) and sharia law (with discrimination against Christians) does not reflect the aims of all Palestinians.

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I think legaleagle should use a spell checker before he posts



legal eagle should certainly make his mind up properly what he wants to post before he pushes the "post" button

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 02 Aug 14 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Indiscriminate shelling, soldiers dying, land being stolen, rockets being fired.

Thousands of innocents are dying and having their homes destroyed, and now Israel won't talk.

Is there anyone out there, perhaps of Austrian heritage, who could offer a final solution ?

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 02 Aug 14 7.55pm

Quote legaleagle at 02 Aug 2014 11.29am

Did we commit "genocide" in Iraq and Afghanistan?

If we did does it make this right?

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Aug 14 8.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 02 Aug 2014 7.46pm

Indiscriminate shelling, soldiers dying, land being stolen, rockets being fired.

Thousands of innocents are dying and having their homes destroyed, and now Israel won't talk.

Is there anyone out there, perhaps of Austrian heritage, who could offer a final solution ?


Somehow, sometime we just knew that Arnold Schwarzenegger was going to be dragged into this.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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legaleagle Flag 02 Aug 14 8.40pm

Thanks, couldn't work out who he had in mind.

 

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legaleagle Flag 02 Aug 14 8.45pm

Quote pefwin at 02 Aug 2014 7.55pm

Quote legaleagle at 02 Aug 2014 11.29am

Did we commit "genocide" in Iraq and Afghanistan?

If we did does it make this right?


You miss my point. Its not genocide and neither were any of my other examples. It IS brutal oppression which (and you'd know this already from reading my prior posts) is my opinion in answer to your question.. But, based on the poster I was responding to's criteria, all would be genocide. I was commenting on the ease with which people bandy the word "genocide" about, nothing more or less.

 

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