Where to start with some of this...

Firstly, technically nothing is 100% safe. So it appears your definition of safe in this context is puritanical, and therefore nothing can meet your own definition. Not even eating your dinner, as there is a risk you could choke. Technically, not 100% safe. Also using an emotive argument instead of a logical one here is not useful.

That said, risk, chance or contextualising properly would be much clearer than debating 'safe'.

And with that... to be clear, you're saying here that smoking and drinking carry less RISK and CHANCE OF DEATH OR SUFFERING than all medicines. I mean, there's so much data across both of these areas that I'm not sure how you could ever come to that conclusion, but maybe I've interpreted incorrectly. I hope I have otherwise your sensitivity complex is about to be seriously triggered.

Vaccines / Tesco – A combined annual flu/COVID vaccine is already in development. Expect to see this at your local Tesco in the near future. The flu vaccine also doesn't require a prescription. In fact looking into it quite a lot of vaccines don't require prescriptions.

Not all medicines require prescriptions.

The ones that don't, and there are many, have age and quantity limits. Just like Alchohol and Cigarettes. And the main reason for that is to prevent misuse by minors and overdosing. Seems sensible to me. Also, it's not exclusive either. I could OD on Vodka or Bananas right now if I wanted to.

So I guess what some of us are trying to understand here, is what exactly is your point?

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

The numbers were in the post on Twitter of a House of commons question about a report on the number of deaths caused by the vaccine. I didn't post it here, I merely commented on you disregarding it as "social media noise". You now attribute the numbers to me. Well, I didn't give them any endorsement whatsoever, I just quoted what you didn't like in the report. You even go on to say that I believe the report and "believes it may be responsible for countless deaths via cartoonish stats like "1632 deaths within 3 months of receiving the vaccine." Made up again.

I really don't need to look up the meaning of unsafe, as I know what it means. You obviously picked your definition (dangerous, perchance?) otherwise you wouldn't be asking me to look it up.

Also, I said not safe. Not unsafe. You may want to consider the next two statements.

The vaccine is not safe for everyone.

and

The vaccine is unsafe for everyone.

Now, if you really can't see the difference between the two, please ask someone to explain it to you who has training in teaching language.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

You repeatedly made no such distinction. The mantra was that the vaccine is not safe.

I'm pleased to see your slowly evolving view. I've publicly stated numerous times that the vaccine should primarily be targeted at those who will gain most from it (rather than children etc), so you are now finally almost in alignment with reason rather than frequently expressed generalised vaccine hysteria.

Clearly with your crystal ball in hand you also somehow knew all along that you personally would avoid the 'not safe' effects of the vaccine. I admire your confidence. Just as you as an adult are able to make decisions regarding your own health, so are others. They should do so knowing that the facts to hand demonstrate that not getting vaccinated typically carries a greater downside than doing so. If you're saying that there are rare cases of negative reactions, be aware that there are many more documented reactions in those scared out of having it, in part due to largely unfounded and misplaced fears.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Sep 2021 12.28am)

Please show me how I am wrong - from my interpretation of your previous post this is exactly what you are saying. Vaccines are less safe than alcohol or smoking. Further - unless otherwise corrected it seems your definition of safe / low risk is subjectively more sensitive than the data would suggest.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

What a shame. If these people really don't want to get vaccinated then that's their choice, but to intimidate others it's a sad state of affairs with implications for the health of those they're threatening.

He really kept us waiting for the big reveal.. but realistically the vaccine roll-out isn't going to be paused, so we have to ask ourselves, is this guy misleading us or has he been misled?