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 DanH  SW2 07 Jun 18 10.18am |
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Is this also the same David Davis who said in the House of Commons in 2002 "Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge. We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it." Just checking.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 18 10.25am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Is this also the same David Davis who said in the House of Commons in 2002 "Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge. We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it." Just checking. He's already answered this accusation. You didn't check....obviously.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Jun 18 10.33am |
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The tories will be in turmoil over Europe for many years to come. The effect on the UK is a secondary consideration. Davies realises that not having an end date means that the customs union may simply be continued indefinitely. Making him redundant, an excellent reason to keep the Customs Union.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 18 10.38am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The tories will be in turmoil over Europe for many years to come. The effect on the UK is a secondary consideration. Davies realises that not having an end date means that the customs union may simply be continued indefinitely. Making him redundant, an excellent reason to keep the Customs Union. Steely....sometimes I think you're just secretly working for Ukip. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2018 10.38am)
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| DanH SW2 07 Jun 18 10.38am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He's already answered this accusation. You didn't check....obviously. I’m not sure quoting something that someone actually said and is in Hansard can be classed as an ‘accusation’.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 18 10.41am |
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Originally posted by DanH
I’m not sure quoting something that someone actually said and is in Hansard can be classed as an ‘accusation’. Oh I see, you quoted him out of the blue for no purpose then. Ok....strange world isn't it.
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| DanH SW2 07 Jun 18 10.47am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Oh I see, you quoted him out of the blue for no purpose then. Ok....strange world isn't it. Eh?
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| chris123 hove actually 07 Jun 18 10.54am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Steely....sometimes I think you're just secretly working for Ukip. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2018 10.38am) Yes and as he keeps on stressing 2/3 of labour constituencies voted leave.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 18 11.02am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Eh? Ok, I'll play your game. What was the purpose of you quoting him.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Jun 18 11.07am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The tories will be in turmoil over Europe for many years to come. The effect on the UK is a secondary consideration. Davies realises that not having an end date means that the customs union may simply be continued indefinitely. Making him redundant, an excellent reason to keep the Customs Union. The Tories are in a mess over Europe but so are Labour. If a GE is called and Labour win Corbyn will have similar problems with the EU as the Tories. His latest plan is also not on the table according to the EU. I don't know how this is going to play out but I think the UK has been awful at negotiating with the EU. After the vote I would have told the EU politely good bye we are going to WTO rules. I would then let them come to us with a deal. The EU have been very clever in saying that the UK doesn't know what it wants (kinda true). However the EU has never said what it is prepared to offer. It just knocks back our proposals and eventually gets its way (so far). We have a strong hand we need someone to play it.
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| DanH SW2 07 Jun 18 11.22am |
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Because you had done a masterful job of lifting his Wikipedia entry to show just how smart he is. And him saying that about referendums in the past is extremely relevant to the topic and the role that he is currently undertaking off the back of one which I'm sure everyone agrees is pretty much exactly what he described. And also, you might think he's great, but has he ever thrown a kettle over a pub?
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 18 11.37am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Because you had done a masterful job of lifting his Wikipedia entry to show just how smart he is. Sure, it was a reasonable response to him being called dim. Something that is clearly not the case. Originally posted by DanH
And him saying that about referendums in the past is extremely relevant to the topic and the role that he is currently undertaking off the back of one which I'm sure everyone agrees is pretty much exactly what he described. Like I said, you clearly haven't read his response to these accusations. Originally posted by DanH
And also, you might think he's great, but has he ever thrown a kettle over a pub?
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