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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 18 11.46am
Originally posted by Matov The issue for me is a potential snap election in October and fought specifically on the Brexit issue because it would be triggered by May stepping down for a variety of reasons (interesting claims about David Davis being at serious odds with Downing street officials). With freedom of movement at the very heart of the entire issue. I suspect that most voters are turned off by technicalities about border issues in Ireland or worries about trade-marks and so on. They either don't care or have nothing invested in the outcomes. But the ability of 400 million people to decide whether they want to come and go to the UK, that is a issue that people can understand. And if Labour want to be taken seriously in their claims about wanting full access to the single market, then accepting freedom of movement, with all that entails, lay at the crux of it. At the moment they are essentially getting away with fudging the issue but in the full glare of a GE campaign, and one without that moron May at the heart of it, would force them to be far more transparent. Edited by Matov (06 Jun 2018 10.20am) Unfortunately for Brexiters this is not a mere technicality but a significant issue that cannot be fudged. Not that it will have much bearing on a GE as like you I reckon most people don't know or care much about NI. The last GE was meant to be a Brexit election, but it kind of wasn't. I reckon Labour would go hard again on austerity with the current leadership. New Tory leader could try and make it about Brexit by talking about nothing else but I feel that would be a dangerous strategy given the number of marginals at stake in lots of seats that aren't swing+Leave seats. If Labour don't win the next GE then Corbyn would have to go (finally).
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Originally posted by Matov

The issue for me is a potential snap election in October and fought specifically on the Brexit issue because it would be triggered by May stepping down for a variety of reasons (interesting claims about David Davis being at serious odds with Downing street officials).

With freedom of movement at the very heart of the entire issue. I suspect that most voters are turned off by technicalities about border issues in Ireland or worries about trade-marks and so on. They either don't care or have nothing invested in the outcomes.

But the ability of 400 million people to decide whether they want to come and go to the UK, that is a issue that people can understand.

And if Labour want to be taken seriously in their claims about wanting full access to the single market, then accepting freedom of movement, with all that entails, lay at the crux of it.

At the moment they are essentially getting away with fudging the issue but in the full glare of a GE campaign, and one without that moron May at the heart of it, would force them to be far more transparent.

Edited by Matov (06 Jun 2018 10.20am)

Unfortunately for Brexiters this is not a mere technicality but a significant issue that cannot be fudged. Not that it will have much bearing on a GE as like you I reckon most people don't know or care much about NI.

The last GE was meant to be a Brexit election, but it kind of wasn't. I reckon Labour would go hard again on austerity with the current leadership. New Tory leader could try and make it about Brexit by talking about nothing else but I feel that would be a dangerous strategy given the number of marginals at stake in lots of seats that aren't swing+Leave seats. If Labour don't win the next GE then Corbyn would have to go (finally).

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 18 11.48am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, like you I'd have Mogg.....Williamson at defence seems interesting....and of course there's Johnson, who at least would be good for some chuckles. Still, the Tories are currently engaged in this weird exercise of copying progressives on social policy while still being economically conservative......Madness for their base. The only Tory who could get the 'don't knows' to vote is Johnson and he seems as unpopular within the Tory party as he is within Labour......Amusing really.....I mean it's not as though we have any control over it. The bloke is a loose canon with half a brain. He also got murked by Richard Madeley. Embarrassing.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, like you I'd have Mogg.....Williamson at defence seems interesting....and of course there's Johnson, who at least would be good for some chuckles.

Still, the Tories are currently engaged in this weird exercise of copying progressives on social policy while still being economically conservative......Madness for their base.

The only Tory who could get the 'don't knows' to vote is Johnson and he seems as unpopular within the Tory party as he is within Labour......Amusing really.....I mean it's not as though we have any control over it.

The bloke is a loose canon with half a brain. He also got murked by Richard Madeley. Embarrassing.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 18 11.55am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle The bloke is a loose canon with half a brain. He also got murked by Richard Madeley. Embarrassing. Well Trump seems to be doing rather well over in the US and apparently he's meant to be a low level retard. Obama was constantly being praised for being incredibly bright yet was basically useless on foreign policy and trade and weak on domestic policy. Like we saw with Reegan, the reality is who is in your team......micromanagers like Blair aren't required nor effective. Williamson is doing ok at defence. The figurehead needs to be just that.....a figurehead who can put themselves across.....far more important who is within the teams. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 11.55am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 18 11.55am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The bloke is a loose canon with half a brain. He also got murked by Richard Madeley. Embarrassing.

Well Trump seems to be doing rather well over in the US and apparently he's meant to be a low level retard.

Obama was constantly being praised for being incredibly bright yet was basically useless on foreign policy and trade and weak on domestic policy.

Like we saw with Reegan, the reality is who is in your team......micromanagers like Blair aren't required nor effective.

Williamson is doing ok at defence.

The figurehead needs to be just that.....a figurehead who can put themselves across.....far more important who is within the teams.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 11.55am)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 18 12.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well Trump seems to be doing rather well over in the US and apparently he's meant to be a low level retard. Obama was constantly being praised for being incredibly bright yet was basically useless on foreign policy and trade and weak on domestic policy. Like we saw with Reegan, the reality is who is in your team......micromanagers like Blair aren't required nor effective. Williamson is doing ok at defence. The figurehead needs to be just that.....a figurehead who can put themselves across.....far more important who is within the teams. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 11.55am) Touché
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well Trump seems to be doing rather well over in the US and apparently he's meant to be a low level retard.

Obama was constantly being praised for being incredibly bright yet was basically useless on foreign policy and trade and weak on domestic policy.

Like we saw with Reegan, the reality is who is in your team......micromanagers like Blair aren't required nor effective.

Williamson is doing ok at defence.

The figurehead needs to be just that.....a figurehead who can put themselves across.....far more important who is within the teams.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2018 11.55am)

Touché

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 18 12.23pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Touché Well, I'm still waiting for that invasion of Poland that we were promised. Or perhaps the lefties were being a tad overly dramatic....go figure on that one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 18 12.23pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Touché

Well, I'm still waiting for that invasion of Poland that we were promised.

Or perhaps the lefties were being a tad overly dramatic....go figure on that one.

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Matov 06 Jun 18 12.28pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Unfortunately for Brexiters this is not a mere technicality but a significant issue that cannot be fudged. Not that it will have much bearing on a GE as like you I reckon most people don't know or care much about NI. The last GE was meant to be a Brexit election, but it kind of wasn't. I reckon Labour would go hard again on austerity with the current leadership. New Tory leader could try and make it about Brexit by talking about nothing else but I feel that would be a dangerous strategy given the number of marginals at stake in lots of seats that aren't swing+Leave seats. If Labour don't win the next GE then Corbyn would have to go (finally). If the election is triggered by May being forced to step down due to Brexit issues, then the narrative about the subsequent GE being specifically about our departure from the EU is how it will be perceived. I suspect that segments of the Tory party are desperate for Labour to make a substantive shift, as opposed to the froth and hot air at the moment, on their Brexit stance but they are playing it clever, along with being (generally) given an easy ride on it by the media. I actually have more faith in Corbyn than May to deliver a clean Brexit but the issue is could Corbyn deliver it given the Remain sentiment within his own party? I am sure he loathes the EU as much as I do but could he actually put it through? Interesting times. But I just want May gone. A shocking Prime Minister and in many ways symbolizing everything that is wrong with British politics. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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06 Jun 18 12.28pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

If the election is triggered by May being forced to step down due to Brexit issues, then the narrative about the subsequent GE being specifically about our departure from the EU is how it will be perceived.

I suspect that segments of the Tory party are desperate for Labour to make a substantive shift, as opposed to the froth and hot air at the moment, on their Brexit stance but they are playing it clever, along with being (generally) given an easy ride on it by the media.

I actually have more faith in Corbyn than May to deliver a clean Brexit but the issue is could Corbyn deliver it given the Remain sentiment within his own party? I am sure he loathes the EU as much as I do but could he actually put it through?

Interesting times.

But I just want May gone. A shocking Prime Minister and in many ways symbolizing everything that is wrong with British politics.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 18 1.22pm
May incapable of answering a question in PMQs today on when the govt Brexit White Paper would be published. Debate on withdrawal agreement is next week. It's a joke. The govt can't even agree on their own policy 2 years after the vote!
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May incapable of answering a question in PMQs today on when the govt Brexit White Paper would be published. Debate on withdrawal agreement is next week.

It's a joke. The govt can't even agree on their own policy 2 years after the vote!

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Jun 18 8.43pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle May incapable of answering a question in PMQs today on when the govt Brexit White Paper would be published. Debate on withdrawal agreement is next week. It's a joke. The govt can't even agree on their own policy 2 years after the vote! And Corbyn’s latest position isn’t ‘cake and eat it’is it? The fact is that this is an evolving issue and always was but I don’t stray from my initial position. No deal is best. f* the EU, they don’t want a deal. Let’s go alone and royally f* them by making the City of London ‘Singapore on speed’, continue to control Euro clearing and watch the unfolding Italian situation, plus the soon to explode Catalan situation, and enjoy Brussels impotence in dealing with them. All it needs is a leader with balls and that would be JRM. Let him take control and bring in a Farage into a temporary national government and we will get the exit we voted for. Then all the insipid Remainer bellends will see the benefits of us engaging with the Commonwealth and the world, rather than a failing economic, social and political bloc run by fascists. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

May incapable of answering a question in PMQs today on when the govt Brexit White Paper would be published. Debate on withdrawal agreement is next week.

It's a joke. The govt can't even agree on their own policy 2 years after the vote!

And Corbyn’s latest position isn’t ‘cake and eat it’is it?

The fact is that this is an evolving issue and always was but I don’t stray from my initial position. No deal is best. f*** the EU, they don’t want a deal. Let’s go alone and royally f*** them by making the City of London ‘Singapore on speed’, continue to control Euro clearing and watch the unfolding Italian situation, plus the soon to explode Catalan situation, and enjoy Brussels impotence in dealing with them.

All it needs is a leader with balls and that would be JRM. Let him take control and bring in a Farage into a temporary national government and we will get the exit we voted for.

Then all the insipid Remainer bellends will see the benefits of us engaging with the Commonwealth and the world, rather than a failing economic, social and political bloc run by fascists.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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DanH SW2 06 Jun 18 11.55pm
Originally posted by matt_himself And Corbyn’s latest position isn’t ‘cake and eat it’is it? The fact is that this is an evolving issue and always was but I don’t stray from my initial position. No deal is best. f* the EU, they don’t want a deal. Let’s go alone and royally f* them by making the City of London ‘Singapore on speed’, continue to control Euro clearing and watch the unfolding Italian situation, plus the soon to explode Catalan situation, and enjoy Brussels impotence in dealing with them. All it needs is a leader with balls and that would be JRM. Let him take control and bring in a Farage into a temporary national government and we will get the exit we voted for. Then all the insipid Remainer bellends will see the benefits of us engaging with the Commonwealth and the world, rather than a failing economic, social and political bloc run by fascists. Where have you been hiding? Hope all’s good.
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Originally posted by matt_himself

And Corbyn’s latest position isn’t ‘cake and eat it’is it?

All it needs is a leader with balls and that would be JRM. Let him take control and bring in a Farage into a temporary national government and we will get the exit we voted for.

Then all the insipid Remainer bellends will see the benefits of us engaging with the Commonwealth and the world, rather than a failing economic, social and political bloc run by fascists.

Where have you been hiding? Hope all’s good.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 18 9.55am
Originally posted by matt_himself And Corbyn’s latest position isn’t ‘cake and eat it’is it? The fact is that this is an evolving issue and always was but I don’t stray from my initial position. No deal is best. f* the EU, they don’t want a deal. Let’s go alone and royally f* them by making the City of London ‘Singapore on speed’, continue to control Euro clearing and watch the unfolding Italian situation, plus the soon to explode Catalan situation, and enjoy Brussels impotence in dealing with them. All it needs is a leader with balls and that would be JRM. Let him take control and bring in a Farage into a temporary national government and we will get the exit we voted for. Then all the insipid Remainer bellends will see the benefits of us engaging with the Commonwealth and the world, rather than a failing economic, social and political bloc run by fascists. Thus speaks the voice of the people. In terms of the Commonwealth I read that the EU is way ahead in terms of striking FTAs with Aus and NZ. Good for them. We'll just line up at the back of the queue. Corbyn's position is not particularly relevant when it comes to the GOVERNMENT's white paper seeing as he's not in government. His stance, if anything, should help them on this matter. Their incompetence is all of their own making. Your preferred option doesn't address the NI issue. How would you address this out of interest?
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Originally posted by matt_himself

And Corbyn’s latest position isn’t ‘cake and eat it’is it?

All it needs is a leader with balls and that would be JRM. Let him take control and bring in a Farage into a temporary national government and we will get the exit we voted for.

Then all the insipid Remainer bellends will see the benefits of us engaging with the Commonwealth and the world, rather than a failing economic, social and political bloc run by fascists.

Thus speaks the voice of the people.

In terms of the Commonwealth I read that the EU is way ahead in terms of striking FTAs with Aus and NZ. Good for them. We'll just line up at the back of the queue.

Corbyn's position is not particularly relevant when it comes to the GOVERNMENT's white paper seeing as he's not in government. His stance, if anything, should help them on this matter. Their incompetence is all of their own making.

Your preferred option doesn't address the NI issue. How would you address this out of interest?

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 18 9.57am
I see David Davis is having a hissy fit over the govts proposed customs backstop plan. If the backstop is time limited we would need a backstop for the backstop. That's the point of a bloody backstop. It's in place until you can find a solution to the customs issue RE NI. Davis is a moron as we all know, but I didn't realise he was quite this dim.
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I see David Davis is having a hissy fit over the govts proposed customs backstop plan.

If the backstop is time limited we would need a backstop for the backstop. That's the point of a bloody backstop. It's in place until you can find a solution to the customs issue RE NI. Davis is a moron as we all know, but I didn't realise he was quite this dim.

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Stirlingsays 07 Jun 18 10.15am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I see David Davis is having a hissy fit over the govts proposed customs backstop plan. If the backstop is time limited we would need a backstop for the backstop. That's the point of a bloody backstop. It's in place until you can find a solution to the customs issue RE NI. Davis is a moron as we all know, but I didn't realise he was quite this dim. Ah, that lefty middle class snobbery. I wager you are dimmer than he is and have achieved far less from a more privileged background. Davies is from a working class background and grew up in Wandsworth. After his A levels he worked as an insurance clerk and worked a second job in the Territorial Army so he could earn enough to take exams to enter university. While there he earned a joint BSc in Molecular Science/Computer Science. Then he went on to earn a master's in Business. He then got into Harvard which is an ivy league university of course......Did you get into an ivy league university from a working class background I wonder?... He then worked at Tate & Lyle for 17 years, rising to become a senior executive. So...with kindness, you don't know what you are talking about. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2018 10.17am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Jun 18 10.15am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I see David Davis is having a hissy fit over the govts proposed customs backstop plan.

If the backstop is time limited we would need a backstop for the backstop. That's the point of a bloody backstop. It's in place until you can find a solution to the customs issue RE NI. Davis is a moron as we all know, but I didn't realise he was quite this dim.

Ah, that lefty middle class snobbery. I wager you are dimmer than he is and have achieved far less from a more privileged background.

Davies is from a working class background and grew up in Wandsworth. After his A levels he worked as an insurance clerk and worked a second job in the Territorial Army so he could earn enough to take exams to enter university.

While there he earned a joint BSc in Molecular Science/Computer Science. Then he went on to earn a master's in Business.

He then got into Harvard which is an ivy league university of course......Did you get into an ivy league university from a working class background I wonder?...

He then worked at Tate & Lyle for 17 years, rising to become a senior executive.

So...with kindness, you don't know what you are talking about.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2018 10.17am)

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