Only the long-term outcome will decide if it is an overreaction but the scale of the destruction and loss of life leaves me in little doubt that it will prove to be the case.

Israel might well be able to destroy Hamas, but in so doing they run a very serious risk of creating something far worse. No one suggests that they just ignore terrorism but there is a right way to counter it and a wrong way. This has all the hallmarks of ultimately being proved very wrong.

Getting rid of Netanyahu has to be the first step to any chance of avoiding that.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Fantasies of a two state solution really need to be laid to rest. It really is cuckoo land and it died with the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.

It's been said before but the only way a two state solution would ever been implemented would be if that land went back to being UN governed and Israel and Palestine were demilitarized.

That's a complete fantasy and never going to happen. Israeli birth demographics favour religious settlers....Israel will become more right wing not less. The meme about right wing in Israel, left wing abroad has always been true.

So the only solution is a one state solution....Is that justice, nope. Is that going to happen....one way or the other yes.

Genetically the Palestinians never left that area and have more claim due to being indigenous. The Jews never had a complete ownership of that land for more than a hundred years. However Jews had always lived there and both peoples are related to the Canaanites....who are essentially an off shoot of Polynesians.

So justice does mean a two state solution.....But the real world is right is might and more harm is caused by pursuing unrealities.

The policy of Israel is plain for all to see who ignore the worthlessness of words and observe the reality of actions. Israel are incrementally forcing the Palestinians out of Palestine/Israel. This has been policy since its creation with only pauses during left wing versions of its government.

The consequences in the west aren't good long term for Israel as essentially the third worldist policies pursued by their anti white fifth columnists means that those replacing the Europeans either don't care about them or are aggressively anti Israel.

The reality is that statistically the only majority of people who particularly like Jews in Europe are boomer conservatives....rather ironic really.

Once they are gone, incrementally in twenty years....I wouldn't want to be obviously Jewish and stick around in Europe because reaping what they sowed on immigration comes to mind.

At least they will have somewhere to run to.....though their enemies will love having them mainly in one place.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2023 2.57pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

No, his party did not have enough seats, he did a deal with a far-right bunch of hoods.

UN and WHO saying disease in the destroyed parts of Palestine will kill more than military action.
Whilst the ceasefire is positive and talks/hostage releases continue, Palestinians are continuing to suffer and die.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Looks like Hamas were far better at targeted attacks on babies, girls, old people and fetuses during the October barbarism.

Are those the people who chanted Allah Akbar, cheered and spat on the naked corpse of a girl, who had been raped then killed, when paraded through the streets on the back of a truck?