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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jun 24 5.48pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Fantastic response by Mr Farage. Even more glad I voted for reform. You got that right! Fantastic is exactly what it was, being based entirely on fantasy. Until we reduce our need we will continue to face immigration, whoever is in government. We can deny our Universities the income they get from foreign students, but what’s the sense of that? We could deny the NHS the clinicians they need and make their crisis worse. Ensuring we provide housing and infrastructure is a separate issue. It’s the need that must be tackled first and you don’t achieve that by just turning off the supply. It would be as stupid as deciding to switch to solar to heat your house and disconnecting the gas before ordering the panels or getting planning.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jun 24 5.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
He is a great orator. Compare his response to that of Biden’s. You can always understand Farage’s reply; Biden just takes random words from his memory bank and tries to make a sentence, often with more pauses and hesitation than actual words. You may not agree with Farage’s views but if so, you have to ask why so many people seem to agree with him. Many people are great orators. It’s what they say that really matters and not how they say it. You only have to think back 90 years to understand that. Many people agreed with the great orator 90 years ago! Look where that got us. And them!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jun 24 6.08pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Why don’t you find out the facts then and make Farage and my comments wrong ! The words used in your comment were “The population has increased massively with no infrastructure increase.” That’s 100% opinion. Not fact. Massively is opinion. No infrastructure increase is obviously untrue. Insufficient infrastructure increase would be an opinion. However those weren’t the words that were the target of the criticism. Apparently this man made racist remarks directed at Sunak. Which I haven’t heard and have no intention of hearing.
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Matov 29 Jun 24 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Do you guys actually believe this conspiratorial nonsense?
I mix in pretty (far) right circles and I have heard Sunak called all sorts, with his Indian heritage featuring in that but never once have I heard/read the 'P' word used to describe him.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Jun 24 6.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You got that right! Fantastic is exactly what it was, being based entirely on fantasy. Until we reduce our need we will continue to face immigration, whoever is in government. We can deny our Universities the income they get from foreign students, but what’s the sense of that? We could deny the NHS the clinicians they need and make their crisis worse. Ensuring we provide housing and infrastructure is a separate issue. It’s the need that must be tackled first and you don’t achieve that by just turning off the supply. It would be as stupid as deciding to switch to solar to heat your house and disconnecting the gas before ordering the panels or getting planning. Yet again with the NHS. It costs over £180 bn a year but is still in crisis and when the country needed them they couldn't cope so we had to be locked down causing untold problems. Where I live no one one can find a National Health dentist, there is a three week wait for doctors appointments and a for physio appointment it's 37 weeks. The NHS is broken beyond repair.
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Jun 24 7.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The words used in your comment were “The population has increased massively with no infrastructure increase.” That’s 100% opinion. Not fact. Massively is opinion. No infrastructure increase is obviously untrue. Insufficient infrastructure increase would be an opinion. However those weren’t the words that were the target of the criticism. Apparently this man made racist remarks directed at Sunak. Which I haven’t heard and have no intention of hearing. So how do you know it’s true if you haven’t seen or heard the clip.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 29 Jun 24 7.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Many people are great orators. It’s what they say that really matters and not how they say it. You only have to think back 90 years to understand that. Many people agreed with the great orator 90 years ago! Look where that got us. And them! If you are referring to Adolf Hitler, then you should remember that there was great resentment by the German population at the vindictive French approach to punishment dished out after the first world war. It was looked upon as revenge rather than a rectification. It also left many German speaking people trapped in ‘new countries’ that were also somewhat vindictive towards Germans. Throw in the 1930s hyperinflation, probably linked to post First World War settlement, and you can see why Hitler gained the support he did. If you are therefore comparing Farage with Hitler you may need to have a rethink.
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georgenorman 29 Jun 24 8.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I amuse myself here for just a few minutes every day and never at night. I have two 3 hour long games of bowls today, which with the travelling and organising will take most of the day. The broken big toe being something of a restriction at present, which adds time. If you read, think and type quickly, it can be done though. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Jun 2024 9.04am) You make more posts than Postman Pat.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jun 24 9.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Yet again with the NHS. It costs over £180 bn a year but is still in crisis and when the country needed them they couldn't cope so we had to be locked down causing untold problems. Where I live no one one can find a National Health dentist, there is a three week wait for doctors appointments and a for physio appointment it's 37 weeks. The NHS is broken beyond repair. Move here! It’s far from perfect but I have a NHS dentist, was seen, x-rayed, fitted with a (free) orthopaedic shoe and back in the car within an hour at the MIU last week and seen by a fracture consultant at the main hospital this week. I can usually get to see a GP within 2 days and the same day if it’s urgent. So it’s not broken beyond repair. It’s under stress. There has been a very noticeable surge in the recruitment of overseas staff locally to ensure it remains functioning. Without them things would really be in crisis.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jun 24 9.07pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So how do you know it’s true if you haven’t seen or heard the clip. As every report says the same, Sunak has quoted it and Reform haven’t denied it then it’s pretty safe to conclude it’s true. Do you deny it? Massive does indeed depend on assumptions. Hence an opinion. No they aren’t all doctors and nurses, but I didn’t suggest they are. Many are students. Others are family members.
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Stirlingsays 29 Jun 24 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
If you are referring to Adolf Hitler, then you should remember that there was great resentment by the German population at the vindictive French approach to punishment dished out after the first world war. It was looked upon as revenge rather than a rectification. It also left many German speaking people trapped in ‘new countries’ that were also somewhat vindictive towards Germans. Throw in the 1930s hyperinflation, probably linked to post First World War settlement, and you can see why Hitler gained the support he did. If you are therefore comparing Farage with Hitler you may need to have a rethink. Is the right answer. There were fascist leaders all over Europe at the time and after and only of them were National Socialists.....However, Hitler runs in their heads 24/7 and if someone is on the right, then it's only a matter of time before you hear about Hitler. They are still obsessed with him even though he's nearly three generations ago and never ruled here. Franco wasn't interested in killing off Jews, Mussolini wasn't until Hitler briefly reinstated him in 43. The people fascism, as a collective, were consistently interested in fighting were communists. Indeed, a lot of what is now happening in the world is as a result of communism succeeding in the west due to.....almost amusingly the markets ruling governments. Now one of its principle aims of communism of destroying nations and creating a one world government of centralised power has its own version to be found in the neoliberals. Rule by oligarchy but presented as 'democracy'.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jun 24 9.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
If you are referring to Adolf Hitler, then you should remember that there was great resentment by the German population at the vindictive French approach to punishment dished out after the first world war. It was looked upon as revenge rather than a rectification. It also left many German speaking people trapped in ‘new countries’ that were also somewhat vindictive towards Germans. Throw in the 1930s hyperinflation, probably linked to post First World War settlement, and you can see why Hitler gained the support he did. If you are therefore comparing Farage with Hitler you may need to have a rethink. There are always excuses dressed up and exploited as reasons. Hitler found some, the Jews being one. Farage is exploiting immigration. Something which is deeply unpopular with some but an inevitability in our current position and for which no immediate change is remotely possible.
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