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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 19 2.53pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays More elitist blow jobbing by you. The reality is that the judiciary is full of middle class left wingers who look down at Robinson and are lock step with the government.....Arguing about who implemented what is like arguing about which soldier fired the bullet....Most of them are on the same side against him.....just like you are. The re-charging of Robinson was a decision made by the Attorney General Geoffrey Cox a sitting Tory MP. Your arguments....as usual....are holed below the waterline. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 11.59am) That is truly the most ridiculous load of bs. Firstly, the judiciary are obliged by the very definition of their job to follow the law. No-one knows what any Judge's political sympathies might be for they are never discussed. We aren't the USA! If I were to guess my instinct would be that on average, due to their usual backgrounds, they would more likely lean to the right than the left, but that this would not affect their judgement. Their loyalty is to the law alone as anyone who has had anything to do with the Courts will know. Yes, the AG made the decision to recharge and yes he is a Tory. He could hardly be anything else given how the government is currently constituted! To assign political motivation to his decision though is insulting, given that "Robinson" has just been found guilty. The AG's only reason for not going ahead with a retrial would have been if he was legally advised it would fail. Politics would not have entered into the process. The bias shown in this kind of defence of "Robinson" is as extreme as it is disingenuous. The man interfered in the judicial process and has been found guilty. His action could have threatened the successful prosecution and confinement of a large group of dangerous criminals. Those who want to see such people behind bars ought to be welcoming "Robinson's" conviction rather than condemning it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 19 2.53pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

More elitist blow jobbing by you.

The reality is that the judiciary is full of middle class left wingers who look down at Robinson and are lock step with the government.....Arguing about who implemented what is like arguing about which soldier fired the bullet....Most of them are on the same side against him.....just like you are.

The re-charging of Robinson was a decision made by the Attorney General Geoffrey Cox a sitting Tory MP.

Your arguments....as usual....are holed below the waterline.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 11.59am)

That is truly the most ridiculous load of bs.

Firstly, the judiciary are obliged by the very definition of their job to follow the law. No-one knows what any Judge's political sympathies might be for they are never discussed. We aren't the USA! If I were to guess my instinct would be that on average, due to their usual backgrounds, they would more likely lean to the right than the left, but that this would not affect their judgement. Their loyalty is to the law alone as anyone who has had anything to do with the Courts will know.

Yes, the AG made the decision to recharge and yes he is a Tory. He could hardly be anything else given how the government is currently constituted! To assign political motivation to his decision though is insulting, given that "Robinson" has just been found guilty. The AG's only reason for not going ahead with a retrial would have been if he was legally advised it would fail. Politics would not have entered into the process.

The bias shown in this kind of defence of "Robinson" is as extreme as it is disingenuous. The man interfered in the judicial process and has been found guilty. His action could have threatened the successful prosecution and confinement of a large group of dangerous criminals. Those who want to see such people behind bars ought to be welcoming "Robinson's" conviction rather than condemning it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 19 3.07pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by ASCPFC I have already pointed out where this wasn't the case. If it had been a group of white peodophiles they would have been reported on. This happened with the celebrity cases and with the Westminster cases. They were reported on as being in the public interest - even though many accusations have been proven to be false. It also doesn't excuse why after convictions these cases were not widely reported on still. After being convicted no such law is in place. I stick by my point that the reason is race and religion. I also stick by my point that race is why knife crime is not being curbed effectively. This is an issue that should concern everyone yet you seem to think it is in our best interests that nothing is done. I don't blame you for trusting the law and due process. However, that is being wheeled out as an excuse for some but not for others. Clearly, the government and media have decided what we should and shouldn't be told. That is concerning. And I have already pointed out why you are wrong. Unless you are the Judge and in possession of all the facts you cannot possibly know whether reporting restrictions are required or whether public interest considerations apply. Nor do you have any knowledge over whether or when the reporting restrictions might have been lifted. For all we know there may be continuing investigations which require them to remain in place. Jumping to conclusions is as rarely a good idea as interfering with the judicial process. The government are not involved because the law does not permit them to be involved and any attempt to do so would very quickly be headline news. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 19 3.07pm

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I have already pointed out where this wasn't the case. If it had been a group of white peodophiles they would have been reported on. This happened with the celebrity cases and with the Westminster cases. They were reported on as being in the public interest - even though many accusations have been proven to be false.
It also doesn't excuse why after convictions these cases were not widely reported on still. After being convicted no such law is in place. I stick by my point that the reason is race and religion. I also stick by my point that race is why knife crime is not being curbed effectively. This is an issue that should concern everyone yet you seem to think it is in our best interests that nothing is done. I don't blame you for trusting the law and due process. However, that is being wheeled out as an excuse for some but not for others.
Clearly, the government and media have decided what we should and shouldn't be told. That is concerning.

And I have already pointed out why you are wrong. Unless you are the Judge and in possession of all the facts you cannot possibly know whether reporting restrictions are required or whether public interest considerations apply.

Nor do you have any knowledge over whether or when the reporting restrictions might have been lifted. For all we know there may be continuing investigations which require them to remain in place. Jumping to conclusions is as rarely a good idea as interfering with the judicial process.

The government are not involved because the law does not permit them to be involved and any attempt to do so would very quickly be headline news.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 19 3.29pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays Nope. Journalists have been hounding the accused outside courts in trials for many many decades. It's complete and utter hypocrisy. The placing of press restrictions on these trials is a tool of political suppression by whoever implemented it....The judge who threw this out originally said that Robinson hadn't endangered the trial and the new charges reflect the state twisting and turning....what was the chief charge? 'Subjective recklessness' The 'causing of anxiety' to the defendants.....It's beyond a joke. Political decisions because of who he is. You may be happy with this outcome but I very much regard this as stroking fire. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 11.52am) More bs. Anyone, journalist's included, who did what "Robinson" did would rightly be arrested and charged. Taking photographs of an accused arriving at Court is not hounding them! Quoting a Judge out of context means nothing. He faced a retrial and was found guilty. That's ALL that matters. Due process matters. Politics are not involved in due process. Defending a criminal ought make no-one happy. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Jul 19 3.29pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Nope.

Journalists have been hounding the accused outside courts in trials for many many decades. It's complete and utter hypocrisy.

The placing of press restrictions on these trials is a tool of political suppression by whoever implemented it....The judge who threw this out originally said that Robinson hadn't endangered the trial and the new charges reflect the state twisting and turning....what was the chief charge? 'Subjective recklessness' The 'causing of anxiety' to the defendants.....It's beyond a joke.

Political decisions because of who he is.

You may be happy with this outcome but I very much regard this as stroking fire.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 11.52am)

More bs. Anyone, journalist's included, who did what "Robinson" did would rightly be arrested and charged. Taking photographs of an accused arriving at Court is not hounding them!

Quoting a Judge out of context means nothing. He faced a retrial and was found guilty. That's ALL that matters. Due process matters. Politics are not involved in due process.

Defending a criminal ought make no-one happy.

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Jul 19 4.22pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by DanH Please try and actually be funny. You wasnt invited. Go play with your abacus.
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The garden of England 06 Jul 19 4.22pm

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Originally posted by DanH

Please try and actually be funny.

You wasnt invited.
Go play with your abacus.

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Teddy Eagle 06 Jul 19 4.22pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree Because Lennon is his name. See multiple earlier comments. He uses a variety of names, TR is only one of five. And it's the one he has least right to use, he simply stole it off a harder thug than himself. And how did your parents choose Mapletree?
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06 Jul 19 4.22pm

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Because Lennon is his name. See multiple earlier comments. He uses a variety of names, TR is only one of five. And it's the one he has least right to use, he simply stole it off a harder thug than himself.

And how did your parents choose Mapletree?

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Jul 19 4.29pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree It's pretty plain why this was taken seriously There were multiple linked cases as most on here delight in telling us. Nothing like the cases that were in the media as they were each stand-alone. As previously stated, he was already on a suspended sentence. It really doesn't take genius to understand the law, simply a little attention. Linked cases or not, asking defendants what they think of their verdict on their walk to the court is not committing contempt of court. Reporters and paps do this all the time. The prosecution's case was that Tommy caused these now convicted paedophiles undue stress. I think we can agree that newspapers in breach of contempt of court over a trial for murder is far worse. They've just been fined. [Link]
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Beckenham 06 Jul 19 4.29pm

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Originally posted by Mapletree

It's pretty plain why this was taken seriously

There were multiple linked cases as most on here delight in telling us. Nothing like the cases that were in the media as they were each stand-alone.

As previously stated, he was already on a suspended sentence. It really doesn't take genius to understand the law, simply a little attention.

Linked cases or not, asking defendants what they think of their verdict on their walk to the court is not committing contempt of court. Reporters and paps do this all the time. The prosecution's case was that Tommy caused these now convicted paedophiles undue stress.

I think we can agree that newspapers in breach of contempt of court over a trial for murder is far worse. They've just been fined. [Link]

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Teddy Eagle 06 Jul 19 4.48pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle And I have already pointed out why you are wrong. Unless you are the Judge and in possession of all the facts you cannot possibly know whether reporting restrictions are required or whether public interest considerations apply. Nor do you have any knowledge over whether or when the reporting restrictions might have been lifted. For all we know there may be continuing investigations which require them to remain in place. Jumping to conclusions is as rarely a good idea as interfering with the judicial process. The government are not involved because the law does not permit them to be involved and any attempt to do so would very quickly be headline news. How can public interest considerations not apply? The parents involved, and the girls themselves of course, may well have benefited from knowledge of the risk.
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06 Jul 19 4.48pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The government are not involved because the law does not permit them to be involved and any attempt to do so would very quickly be headline news.

How can public interest considerations not apply? The parents involved, and the girls themselves of course, may well have benefited from knowledge of the risk.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 Jul 19 5.20pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle "They're monsters" - UK rape gang victim explains how grooming works. [Link]
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Beckenham 06 Jul 19 5.20pm

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"They're monsters" - UK rape gang victim explains how grooming works. [Link]

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cryrst The garden of England 06 Jul 19 6.56pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Where is the condemnation from Muslim people. It's ok for us on the left and right to bicker the rights and wrongs of TR and whether they are general criminals doing this or Muslim grooming gangs. Where the hell is the condemnation from the part of society which cannot be accused of racism.why so quiet. Are they implicit or just afraid. If they are afraid then the very same police and judicial system looking to jail TR as it is correct ( tongue in cheek) could protect them.
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The garden of England 06 Jul 19 6.56pm

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Where is the condemnation from Muslim people.
It's ok for us on the left and right to bicker the rights and wrongs of TR and whether they are general criminals doing this or Muslim grooming gangs.
Where the hell is the condemnation from the part of society which cannot be accused of racism.why so quiet.
Are they implicit or just afraid.
If they are afraid then the very same police and judicial system looking to jail TR as it is correct ( tongue in cheek) could protect them.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jul 19 7.19pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by DanH Please try and actually be funny. You're an accountant, you wouldn't know funny if it came in your mouth and paid for your taxi home.....but you could probably estimate the calories. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 7.46pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jul 19 7.19pm

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Originally posted by DanH

Please try and actually be funny.

You're an accountant, you wouldn't know funny if it came in your mouth and paid for your taxi home.....but you could probably estimate the calories.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 7.46pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 06 Jul 19 7.20pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Teddy Eagle And how did your parents choose Mapletree? This is a good point......if using your real name is such a big deal then start with yourself Maple. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jul 19 7.20pm

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And how did your parents choose Mapletree?

This is a good point......if using your real name is such a big deal then start with yourself Maple.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jul 19 8.10pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle And I have already pointed out why you are wrong. Unless you are the Judge and in possession of all the facts you cannot possibly know whether reporting restrictions are required or whether public interest considerations apply. Nor do you have any knowledge over whether or when the reporting restrictions might have been lifted. For all we know there may be continuing investigations which require them to remain in place. Jumping to conclusions is as rarely a good idea as interfering with the judicial process. The government are not involved because the law does not permit them to be involved and any attempt to do so would very quickly be headline news. I can quite easily 'know' these days. If it is a Muslim rape gang then it will be deemed not in the public interest to report on it. If it another peodophile gang then it will be fine to report on - even before being found guilty. Even after being completely outed and convicted the Muslim grooming gangs will still largey not be reported on as why would anyone want to know that? Anyone highlighting the issue would obviously be racist and far-right just like the media and state tell us. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jul 19 8.10pm

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The government are not involved because the law does not permit them to be involved and any attempt to do so would very quickly be headline news.

I can quite easily 'know' these days. If it is a Muslim rape gang then it will be deemed not in the public interest to report on it.
If it another peodophile gang then it will be fine to report on - even before being found guilty.
Even after being completely outed and convicted the Muslim grooming gangs will still largey not be reported on as why would anyone want to know that?
Anyone highlighting the issue would obviously be racist and far-right just like the media and state tell us.

Red and Blue Army!

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