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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 29 Sep 15 5.52pm
The last bearded PM was Lord Salisbury and there wasn't even universal suffrage then. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 29 Sep 15 5.52pm

The last bearded PM was Lord Salisbury and there wasn't even universal suffrage then.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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leggedstruggle Croydon 29 Sep 15 6.20pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 29 Sep 2015 5.52pm The last bearded PM was Lord Salisbury and there wasn't even universal suffrage then. W(h)igs before that. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 29 Sep 15 6.20pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 29 Sep 2015 5.52pm

The last bearded PM was Lord Salisbury and there wasn't even universal suffrage then.

W(h)igs before that.

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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DanH SW2 29 Sep 15 6.27pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 29 Sep 2015 5.52pm The last bearded PM was Lord Salisbury and there wasn't even universal suffrage then. Homo politicus
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Quote Cucking Funt at 29 Sep 2015 5.52pm

The last bearded PM was Lord Salisbury and there wasn't even universal suffrage then.

Homo politicus

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leggedstruggle Croydon 29 Sep 15 7.11pm
Best name of past prime minister must be Bonar Law, in office 1922-1923 - had 'Village People' tash, I wonder if gay rights were in his manifesto. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 29 Sep 15 7.11pm

Best name of past prime minister must be Bonar Law, in office 1922-1923 - had 'Village People' tash, I wonder if gay rights were in his manifesto.

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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sydtheeagle England 29 Sep 15 7.16pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 29 Sep 2015 7.11pm Best name of past prime minister must be Bonar Law, in office 1922-1923 - had 'Village People' tash, I wonder if gay rights were in his manifesto. Proves there must have been a shift to the left at some point. Only the Tories would pass a Bonar Law. Edited by sydtheeagle (29 Sep 2015 7.17pm) Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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Quote leggedstruggle at 29 Sep 2015 7.11pm

Best name of past prime minister must be Bonar Law, in office 1922-1923 - had 'Village People' tash, I wonder if gay rights were in his manifesto.

Proves there must have been a shift to the left at some point. Only the Tories would pass a Bonar Law.

Edited by sydtheeagle (29 Sep 2015 7.17pm)

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 29 Sep 15 7.56pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 29 Sep 2015 5.46pm But that's your interpretation of his style and manner. Do we have any evidence that the broader public concur? I don't think he looks or sounds appreciably less attractive than any other politician. But I would concede that I am inclined to be sympathetic. Anyway, it's not what you or I think. It's what the broader public think (sic). If you think, as I do, that they've had enough of the "status quo" homo politicus, perhaps they will respond to rather than reject his style. I just think a slick, professional look like Cameron's is always going to trump a scruffy look like Corbyn's. He is auditioning to be the Prime Minister. The public has to envisage him talking to the likes of Obama and Putin. Can you honestly see Corbyn performing well on the world stage? Maybe you can, I can't. Quote Integrity. Substance. Moral compass. A rejection of the superficial that has dominated the entire political spectrum in recent years. That's what I see among other things. I think this is one of the biggest frustrations of the right. The monopoly that the left thinks it has on morality. Socialism does not make the poor richer, it only makes the rich poorer. That's probably for another argument, but tapping into the politics of envy does not constitute having a moral compass in my eyes and certainly doesn't have any substance. Corbyn talks about the politics of hope, I think it's the politics of false hope and that is not a good alternative to pragmatism. Quote Maybe. But aren't you essentially doing exactly the same thing in reverse? It's simply that over the past two decades, you have been proved right. But that may not last. If you assume that the British electorate is deeply unhappy with the status quo then you could be right, but the Conservatives just got voted in on an increased mandate despite enforcing all these policies that you think are so evil. Quote All of that is true. But isn't it possible that Corbyn will be aided in his own counter-dragging of the electorate by a sense of rejection of the right? The economic crash has exposed the corporate world as being too influential, the wealthy as being too selfish, the political intelligentsia as being too dishonest, and broader society as being too self-serving. I may be wrong, but pretty much every time there's been a lurch towards one end of the political spectrum -- left or right, ultimately it's been followed by a corrective lurch back towards the center. I simply think it's possible -- just possible -- that this may be the time for that to happen. I don't agree with your evaluation of capitalism and doubt I ever will, but I will say that Osborne and Cameron have hardly been Thatcherite, they've been very centre and a bit right. Quote Yep, that is the key point. But I think if Corbyn can articulate his case and present a coherent taxation policy, the middle classes might vote for it. Of course, I may be living in a fool's paradise but my belief is that I may not be. See first point on presentation and appearance. I can't see Corbyn being the person to put that case forward coherently. Quote Only in so far as you expect history to repeat itself. But that isn't a valid argument -- only a strong one based on recent evidence -- because history shows that eventually, things do change. If they didn't we could predict the outcome of the next election and not need to vote. I would agree that Corbyn faces overwhelming challenges and his election would require a sea change in our voting patterns. His task is difficult for the reasons you give. But change will happen at some point and I think/hope he is the man to deliver it. I hope. You hope not. Socialism has been a disaster wherever it has been practised. If change comes it will soon change back. In my opinion The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Quote sydtheeagle at 29 Sep 2015 5.46pm

But that's your interpretation of his style and manner. Do we have any evidence that the broader public concur? I don't think he looks or sounds appreciably less attractive than any other politician. But I would concede that I am inclined to be sympathetic. Anyway, it's not what you or I think. It's what the broader public think (sic). If you think, as I do, that they've had enough of the "status quo" homo politicus, perhaps they will respond to rather than reject his style.

I just think a slick, professional look like Cameron's is always going to trump a scruffy look like Corbyn's. He is auditioning to be the Prime Minister. The public has to envisage him talking to the likes of Obama and Putin. Can you honestly see Corbyn performing well on the world stage? Maybe you can, I can't.

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Integrity. Substance. Moral compass. A rejection of the superficial that has dominated the entire political spectrum in recent years. That's what I see among other things.

I think this is one of the biggest frustrations of the right. The monopoly that the left thinks it has on morality. Socialism does not make the poor richer, it only makes the rich poorer. That's probably for another argument, but tapping into the politics of envy does not constitute having a moral compass in my eyes and certainly doesn't have any substance. Corbyn talks about the politics of hope, I think it's the politics of false hope and that is not a good alternative to pragmatism.

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Maybe. But aren't you essentially doing exactly the same thing in reverse? It's simply that over the past two decades, you have been proved right. But that may not last.

If you assume that the British electorate is deeply unhappy with the status quo then you could be right, but the Conservatives just got voted in on an increased mandate despite enforcing all these policies that you think are so evil.

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All of that is true. But isn't it possible that Corbyn will be aided in his own counter-dragging of the electorate by a sense of rejection of the right? The economic crash has exposed the corporate world as being too influential, the wealthy as being too selfish, the political intelligentsia as being too dishonest, and broader society as being too self-serving. I may be wrong, but pretty much every time there's been a lurch towards one end of the political spectrum -- left or right, ultimately it's been followed by a corrective lurch back towards the center. I simply think it's possible -- just possible -- that this may be the time for that to happen.

I don't agree with your evaluation of capitalism and doubt I ever will, but I will say that Osborne and Cameron have hardly been Thatcherite, they've been very centre and a bit right.

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Yep, that is the key point. But I think if Corbyn can articulate his case and present a coherent taxation policy, the middle classes might vote for it. Of course, I may be living in a fool's paradise but my belief is that I may not be.

See first point on presentation and appearance. I can't see Corbyn being the person to put that case forward coherently.

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Only in so far as you expect history to repeat itself. But that isn't a valid argument -- only a strong one based on recent evidence -- because history shows that eventually, things do change. If they didn't we could predict the outcome of the next election and not need to vote. I would agree that Corbyn faces overwhelming challenges and his election would require a sea change in our voting patterns. His task is difficult for the reasons you give. But change will happen at some point and I think/hope he is the man to deliver it. I hope. You hope not.

Socialism has been a disaster wherever it has been practised. If change comes it will soon change back. In my opinion

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 29 Sep 15 8.07pm
Quote PalazioVecchio at 31 Jul 2015 11.17am i love corbyn. A michael Foot or Niel Kinnock for our times. Foot and Kinnock did not add any luster to the Labour Party and as Corbyn runs out of steam he will not add any luster either. Labour may have to reincarnate Bessie Braddock ,The Queen of Liverpool. She had more balls than most male members of the Labour Party.
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Covington.Tennessee 29 Sep 15 8.07pm

Quote PalazioVecchio at 31 Jul 2015 11.17am

i love corbyn. A michael Foot or Niel Kinnock for our times.

Foot and Kinnock did not add any luster to the Labour Party and as Corbyn runs out of steam he will not add any luster either. Labour may have to reincarnate Bessie Braddock ,The Queen of Liverpool. She had more balls than most male members of the Labour Party.

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Catfish Burgess Hill 29 Sep 15 8.16pm
Corbyn is being criticised by some for not setting out a detailed plan of how Labour will win the next election. It seems a trifle unrealistic after two weeks. I thought it was a speech that did a good job of pulling the audience together and setting out common values. In that respect it gave an impression of unity that will play well with the public. One thing that Corbyn is good at is angry idealism. It is a thing that the Labour Party were historically good at. I sometimes think that Labour and union conferences are more impressed by the emotion rather than the content. However, it is a strength that they lost post-Kinnock and it is one that the other parties find difficult to match. The Tories can't do angry without sounding like Nazis and the liberals just can't do angry. I will be interested to see what the polls say. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Corbyn is being criticised by some for not setting out a detailed plan of how Labour will win the next election. It seems a trifle unrealistic after two weeks. I thought it was a speech that did a good job of pulling the audience together and setting out common values. In that respect it gave an impression of unity that will play well with the public.
One thing that Corbyn is good at is angry idealism. It is a thing that the Labour Party were historically good at. I sometimes think that Labour and union conferences are more impressed by the emotion rather than the content. However, it is a strength that they lost post-Kinnock and it is one that the other parties find difficult to match. The Tories can't do angry without sounding like Nazis and the liberals just can't do angry. I will be interested to see what the polls say.

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SwalecliffeEagle Swalecliffe 29 Sep 15 8.53pm
Quote Catfish at 29 Sep 2015 8.16pm Corbyn is being criticised by some for not setting out a detailed plan of how Labour will win the next election. It seems a trifle unrealistic after two weeks. I thought it was a speech that did a good job of pulling the audience together and setting out common values. In that respect it gave an impression of unity that will play well with the public. One thing that Corbyn is good at is angry idealism. It is a thing that the Labour Party were historically good at. I sometimes think that Labour and union conferences are more impressed by the emotion rather than the content. However, it is a strength that they lost post-Kinnock and it is one that the other parties find difficult to match. The Tories can't do angry without sounding like Nazis and the liberals just can't do angry. I will be interested to see what the polls say. lol you hit the nail firmly on the head with that one.
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Quote Catfish at 29 Sep 2015 8.16pm

Corbyn is being criticised by some for not setting out a detailed plan of how Labour will win the next election. It seems a trifle unrealistic after two weeks. I thought it was a speech that did a good job of pulling the audience together and setting out common values. In that respect it gave an impression of unity that will play well with the public.
One thing that Corbyn is good at is angry idealism. It is a thing that the Labour Party were historically good at. I sometimes think that Labour and union conferences are more impressed by the emotion rather than the content. However, it is a strength that they lost post-Kinnock and it is one that the other parties find difficult to match. The Tories can't do angry without sounding like Nazis and the liberals just can't do angry. I will be interested to see what the polls say.

lol you hit the nail firmly on the head with that one.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 29 Sep 15 9.11pm
The electorate will reject the beard. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 29 Sep 15 9.11pm

The electorate will reject the beard.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Pete53 Hassocks 29 Sep 15 9.39pm
Quote blind eagle at 29 Sep 2015 8.07pm Quote PalazioVecchio at 31 Jul 2015 11.17am i love corbyn. A michael Foot or Niel Kinnock for our times. Foot and Kinnock did not add any luster to the Labour Party and as Corbyn runs out of steam he will not add any luster either. Labour may have to reincarnate Bessie Braddock ,The Queen of Liverpool. She had more balls than most male members of the Labour Party. You are going back a bit there. She was famously the target of one of Churchills witticisms after she accused him of being drunk in the House, to which he replied along the lines of, I may be drunk but you are ugly, however, tomorrow I shall be sober but you will still be ugly.
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Hassocks 29 Sep 15 9.39pm

Quote blind eagle at 29 Sep 2015 8.07pm

Quote PalazioVecchio at 31 Jul 2015 11.17am

i love corbyn. A michael Foot or Niel Kinnock for our times.

You are going back a bit there. She was famously the target of one of Churchills witticisms after she accused him of being drunk in the House, to which he replied along the lines of, I may be drunk but you are ugly, however, tomorrow I shall be sober but you will still be ugly.

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jcreedy 29 Sep 15 10.27pm
I still think he'll be Prime Minister It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. - John Bostock (Nov 2007)
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29 Sep 15 10.27pm

I still think he'll be Prime Minister

It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

- John Bostock (Nov 2007)

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