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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 14 Apr 13 5.50pm | |
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Quote JohnyBoy at 14 Apr 2013 4.45pm
Well said Jamiemartin Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Apr 2013 10.58pm
Quote chris123 at 13 Apr 2013 9.37pm
Quote newickeagle at 13 Apr 2013 9.33pm
Chris, how many people went to their death in the South Atlantic and particularly on the Belgrano? She stuck herself in a pseudo tank to celebrate and they were in their early years. 87 is a good innings, she didn't allow that to her victims. How does it feel to be the Mother of a 1000 dead?
No we were in a conflict. The UK specifically didn't declare war, and the Belgrano was sunk outside the exclusion zone, on executive order of the prime minister - It was of course the right decision. But she did celebrate the victory, which is the celebration of others deaths, most of whom were young kids conscripted by a facist regime that murdered and tortured its own people. Those kids, what choice did they have. It might have had to be done, it might even have been of benefit to argentina (as the Junta collapsed soon after). Nothing really to celebrate there. 649 Argentinans died along with 3 Falkland Islanders and 255 British Service men. Ironically more service men from the Falklands would die by their own hand in the coming decade after the war, than were killed by enemy fire - largely down to the Conservative parties dismantling of the British Mental Health system.
The only error was in some of the incomeplete and sometimes misleading responses by MOD and the Government at the time and subsequently. All serious commentators, including neutral ones and even those in Argentina, accept that the sinking of the Belgano was a perfectly resonable act, under the circumstances. People seeking to portray it as a war crime or similar are simply mischief-making. Your comment about having to declare war in order to be tried for war crimes is also factually inaccurate.
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JohnyBoy 14 Apr 13 6.04pm | |
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Quote SloveniaDave at 14 Apr 2013 5.50pm
Quote JohnyBoy at 14 Apr 2013 4.45pm
Well said Jamiemartin Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Apr 2013 10.58pm
Quote chris123 at 13 Apr 2013 9.37pm
Quote newickeagle at 13 Apr 2013 9.33pm
Chris, how many people went to their death in the South Atlantic and particularly on the Belgrano? She stuck herself in a pseudo tank to celebrate and they were in their early years. 87 is a good innings, she didn't allow that to her victims. How does it feel to be the Mother of a 1000 dead?
No we were in a conflict. The UK specifically didn't declare war, and the Belgrano was sunk outside the exclusion zone, on executive order of the prime minister - It was of course the right decision. But she did celebrate the victory, which is the celebration of others deaths, most of whom were young kids conscripted by a facist regime that murdered and tortured its own people. Those kids, what choice did they have. It might have had to be done, it might even have been of benefit to argentina (as the Junta collapsed soon after). Nothing really to celebrate there. 649 Argentinans died along with 3 Falkland Islanders and 255 British Service men. Ironically more service men from the Falklands would die by their own hand in the coming decade after the war, than were killed by enemy fire - largely down to the Conservative parties dismantling of the British Mental Health system.
The only error was in some of the incomeplete and sometimes misleading responses by MOD and the Government at the time and subsequently. All serious commentators, including neutral ones and even those in Argentina, accept that the sinking of the Belgano was a perfectly resonable act, under the circumstances. People seeking to portray it as a war crime or similar are simply mischief-making. Your comment about having to declare war in order to be tried for war crimes is also factually inaccurate.
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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Apr 13 6.19pm | |
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Quote dannyh at 14 Apr 2013 5.31pm
6500 a month, a feckin month !!!!! That is taking the right piss
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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 14 Apr 13 6.19pm | |
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Quote JohnyBoy at 14 Apr 2013 6.04pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 14 Apr 2013 5.50pm
Quote JohnyBoy at 14 Apr 2013 4.45pm
Well said Jamiemartin Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Apr 2013 10.58pm
Quote chris123 at 13 Apr 2013 9.37pm
Quote newickeagle at 13 Apr 2013 9.33pm
Chris, how many people went to their death in the South Atlantic and particularly on the Belgrano? She stuck herself in a pseudo tank to celebrate and they were in their early years. 87 is a good innings, she didn't allow that to her victims. How does it feel to be the Mother of a 1000 dead?
No we were in a conflict. The UK specifically didn't declare war, and the Belgrano was sunk outside the exclusion zone, on executive order of the prime minister - It was of course the right decision. But she did celebrate the victory, which is the celebration of others deaths, most of whom were young kids conscripted by a facist regime that murdered and tortured its own people. Those kids, what choice did they have. It might have had to be done, it might even have been of benefit to argentina (as the Junta collapsed soon after). Nothing really to celebrate there. 649 Argentinans died along with 3 Falkland Islanders and 255 British Service men. Ironically more service men from the Falklands would die by their own hand in the coming decade after the war, than were killed by enemy fire - largely down to the Conservative parties dismantling of the British Mental Health system.
The only error was in some of the incomeplete and sometimes misleading responses by MOD and the Government at the time and subsequently. All serious commentators, including neutral ones and even those in Argentina, accept that the sinking of the Belgano was a perfectly resonable act, under the circumstances. People seeking to portray it as a war crime or similar are simply mischief-making. Your comment about having to declare war in order to be tried for war crimes is also factually inaccurate.
Howeber, since we have had all the available facts - assuming there are no additional significant facts still to come out - there is very little, if any, serious debate about the legitimacy of the British action. Our terms of engagement allowed us to attack any argentinian vessel, wherever they were, if they posed a potential threat. The exclusion zone was only one element of those terms of engagement and was specifically not a self-imposed limit on any action. Whether the Belgrano was inside or outside of the zone and the direction it was sailing were not material to any decision to attack it. The Argentinian President of course would like to portray things differently, but she is a tiny minority and is clearly acting to bolster her own domestic standing, nothing more.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Apr 13 6.22pm | |
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Quote dannyh at 14 Apr 2013 5.31pm
6500 a month, a feckin month !!!!! That is taking the right piss
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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Apr 13 6.26pm | |
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Quote dannyh at 14 Apr 2013 5.31pm
6500 a month, a feckin month !!!!! That is taking the right piss
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serial thriller The Promised Land 14 Apr 13 6.31pm | |
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The chart show is on Radio 1 at the moment, on to number 6, still no sign of Ding Dong the Witch is Dead... Edited by serial thriller (14 Apr 2013 6.31pm)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 14 Apr 13 6.52pm | |
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Number 2...and not played. Free market eh?
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serial thriller The Promised Land 14 Apr 13 6.54pm | |
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And the song that's number 1 is absolute w@nk. That's the real travesty.
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Stirlingsays 14 Apr 13 7.15pm | |
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Quote serial thriller at 14 Apr 2013 6.52pm
Number 2...and not played. Free market eh?
Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Apr 2013 8.05pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Apr 13 9.08pm | |
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Just for Penge and Chris... Attachment: 164989_563150000391584_994867983_n.png (664.22Kb)
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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Apr 13 9.18pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Apr 2013 9.08pm
Just for Penge and Chris...
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