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Stirlingsays 02 Aug 14 2.28am
Quote Seth at 02 Aug 2014 2.20am "When Genocide is Permissible" from the Times of Israel. The piece has been taken down, but it states clearly what many feel is already happening: [Link] So do you believe that Israel are going to stay in Gaza and kill all the Palestinians there then Seth? Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 2.28am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Aug 14 2.28am

Quote Seth at 02 Aug 2014 2.20am

"When Genocide is Permissible" from the Times of Israel. The piece has been taken down, but it states clearly what many feel is already happening: [Link]

So do you believe that Israel are going to stay in Gaza and kill all the Palestinians there then Seth?

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 2.28am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Aug 14 9.18am
Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 2.23am I think legaleagle's post highlights the lack of focus and consideration in this thread by 'the usual suspects' on any alternative narrative for some horrid events over the last few days. Like the twenty four hour news culture they have made their mind up about what happened pretty much as soon as the reports come in......In a display of their own prejudices.....Or just accepting whatever news report comes in as factual. With hits on hospitals and so on they have instantly blamed the IDF.....No doubt this will be correct sometimes. But nowhere did they consider the alternative of fire by non IDF or indeed comment upon the fact that Hamas could have been fighting from or 'using' these facilities. In instances where the IDF have fired on UN facilities I'm clear in criticizing them as shelling these areas isn't acceptable......Alternatives need to be found. However people not considering that Hamas aren't most likely taking advantage of what is.....'an easy win' are just blind to human nature. Fair enough, I may have jumped to conclusions, but, and not defending... From all accounts, the rockets fired from Gaza are pretty crude, so it's pretty inevitable that some will 'fail' resulting in deaths from friendly fire. Is it surprising that Hamas have suppressed reports about the incident (s) baring in mind the part that propaganda plays?
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Shizzlehurst 02 Aug 14 9.18am

Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 2.23am

I think legaleagle's post highlights the lack of focus and consideration in this thread by 'the usual suspects' on any alternative narrative for some horrid events over the last few days.

Like the twenty four hour news culture they have made their mind up about what happened pretty much as soon as the reports come in......In a display of their own prejudices.....Or just accepting whatever news report comes in as factual.

With hits on hospitals and so on they have instantly blamed the IDF.....No doubt this will be correct sometimes. But nowhere did they consider the alternative of fire by non IDF or indeed comment upon the fact that Hamas could have been fighting from or 'using' these facilities.

In instances where the IDF have fired on UN facilities I'm clear in criticizing them as shelling these areas isn't acceptable......Alternatives need to be found.

However people not considering that Hamas aren't most likely taking advantage of what is.....'an easy win' are just blind to human nature.

Fair enough, I may have jumped to conclusions, but, and not defending...
From all accounts, the rockets fired from Gaza are pretty crude, so it's pretty inevitable that some will 'fail' resulting in deaths from friendly fire. Is it surprising that Hamas have suppressed reports about the incident (s) baring in mind the part that propaganda plays?

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matt_himself Matataland 02 Aug 14 11.10am
Quote Kermit8 at 01 Aug 2014 9.28pm Quote matt_himself at 01 Aug 2014 8.18pm Quote Kermit8 at 01 Aug 2014 7.58pm Quote matt_himself at 01 Aug 2014 7.45pm Quote Kermit8 at 01 Aug 2014 7.43pm Quote matt_himself at 01 Aug 2014 7.40pm Quote Kermit8 at 01 Aug 2014 7.35pm Matthew - I have one question for you too: Do you want the Palestinians to have their own internationally recognised country one day? And without Israeli interference and tacit dominance via airspace control and water? No. I want them to live in s*e circumstances whereby their human rights are consistently invaded, they are unable to build as a people and have no control over their future. You are pathetic Kermit. Truly pathetic. Thanks for responding. You can edit out the smoke and mirrors rest of your post. You, sir, are a moral coward. Please expand upon your views. You pathetic, naming calling vacuum. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear..... I knew the answer was 'no'. Looks like lots of those ordinary people you champion and care so much about will remain stateless if you had your way. When you admit that freely I will be happy to engage. At least then, it will be an honest and open discussion from both sides. As it stands, it is not. If this response wasn't so anticipated, it would be funny. You really are pathetic. The fact is anyone who disagrees with you is a nazi. I accept this, despite the fact that I have said on here previously, and a few times, my views about the complex and mutually destructive nature of Middle East politics and I am on the side of the average person going about their life. So, go bake a loaf for the missus and come back some 'hard core' slating of me later. After you have had a sit down piss. Edited by matt_himself (01 Aug 2014 8.19pm) Matthew - I haven't slated you. Merely calmly highlighted a character deficiency - moral cowardice - due to your disingenuous postings professing to care about ordinary Palestinians whilst not wanting them to have their own country which is exactly what they care about the most. And you can't even bring yourself to admit it freely. Who the f* do you think you are be handing out character assessments when your politics are governed by the wooliest of pretexts, I.e., light liberal blowin' the wind whatever is trendy bulls*. The point is, there is a major difference between not wanting Palestinian home rule and not wanting a morally deficient organisation such as Hamas, who are using people as human shields, running that country. I am all for people having a say over their destiny. I am against handing to those who are not running the country for the best interests of people. I am sure this is wrong in your eyes somehow. But frankly I couldn't give s* about what pathetic point scoring you muster up. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 02 Aug 14 11.10am

Quote Kermit8 at 01 Aug 2014 9.28pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Aug 2014 8.18pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 Aug 2014 7.58pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Aug 2014 7.45pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 Aug 2014 7.43pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Aug 2014 7.40pm

Quote Kermit8 at 01 Aug 2014 7.35pm

Matthew - I have one question for you too: Do you want the Palestinians to have their own internationally recognised country one day? And without Israeli interference and tacit dominance via airspace control and water?

No. I want them to live in s***e circumstances whereby their human rights are consistently invaded, they are unable to build as a people and have no control over their future.

You are pathetic Kermit. Truly pathetic.

Thanks for responding. You can edit out the smoke and mirrors rest of your post.

You, sir, are a moral coward.

Please expand upon your views. You pathetic, naming calling vacuum.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.....

I knew the answer was 'no'. Looks like lots of those ordinary people you champion and care so much about will remain stateless if you had your way.

When you admit that freely I will be happy to engage. At least then, it will be an honest and open discussion from both sides. As it stands, it is not.

If this response wasn't so anticipated, it would be funny. You really are pathetic.

The fact is anyone who disagrees with you is a nazi.

I accept this, despite the fact that I have said on here previously, and a few times, my views about the complex and mutually destructive nature of Middle East politics and I am on the side of the average person going about their life.

So, go bake a loaf for the missus and come back some 'hard core' slating of me later. After you have had a sit down piss.

Edited by matt_himself (01 Aug 2014 8.19pm)

Matthew - I haven't slated you. Merely calmly highlighted a character deficiency - moral cowardice - due to your disingenuous postings professing to care about ordinary Palestinians whilst not wanting them to have their own country which is exactly what they care about the most.

And you can't even bring yourself to admit it freely.

Who the f*** do you think you are be handing out character assessments when your politics are governed by the wooliest of pretexts, I.e., light liberal blowin' the wind whatever is trendy bulls***.

The point is, there is a major difference between not wanting Palestinian home rule and not wanting a morally deficient organisation such as Hamas, who are using people as human shields, running that country.

I am all for people having a say over their destiny. I am against handing to those who are not running the country for the best interests of people.

I am sure this is wrong in your eyes somehow. But frankly I couldn't give s*** about what pathetic point scoring you muster up.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Aug 14 11.13am
Israel is committing genocide. The mass, indiscriminate killing of civilians. The numbers, or percentages, of population are irrelevant. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Israel is committing genocide.

The mass, indiscriminate killing of civilians.

The numbers, or percentages, of population are irrelevant.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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legaleagle 02 Aug 14 11.29am
Did we commit "genocide" in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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02 Aug 14 11.29am

Did we commit "genocide" in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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legaleagle 02 Aug 14 11.32am
Did we commit genocide in Malaya? Did we commit genocide against "Yugoslavia" in 1999? In Libya? or is it ok when its just "collateral damage" when the cause is righteous? [Link] Edited by legaleagle (02 Aug 2014 12.08pm)
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02 Aug 14 11.32am

Did we commit genocide in Malaya? Did we commit genocide against "Yugoslavia" in 1999?

In Libya? or is it ok when its just "collateral damage" when the cause is righteous?

[Link]

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legaleagle 02 Aug 14 11.34am
Did we omit genocide in Oman in the 60's?.Did we commit genocide in Kenya in the 50's?
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02 Aug 14 11.34am

Did we omit genocide in Oman in the 60's?.Did we commit genocide in Kenya in the 50's?

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legaleagle 02 Aug 14 11.40am
Did the Provos commit genocide? Surely none of the posters who so easily bandy the word around (and seemingly its regardless of numbers or percentages) would want to be accused of double standards, would they? Edited by legaleagle (02 Aug 2014 11.40am)
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02 Aug 14 11.40am

Did the Provos commit genocide?

Surely none of the posters who so easily bandy the word around (and seemingly its regardless of numbers or percentages) would want to be accused of double standards, would they?

Edited by legaleagle (02 Aug 2014 11.40am)

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legaleagle 02 Aug 14 11.52am
Spin and social media in 21st century "warfare": [Link] [Link] Edited by legaleagle (02 Aug 2014 12.12pm)
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02 Aug 14 11.52am

Spin and social media in 21st century "warfare":

[Link]

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legaleagle 02 Aug 14 12.12pm
Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 11.11pm Hmm... another lovely chap. [Link] and another lovely chap, Is he advocating what might genuinely be described as "genocide"? [Link] Edited by legaleagle (02 Aug 2014 1.03pm)
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02 Aug 14 12.12pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 11.11pm

Hmm... another lovely chap.
[Link]

and another lovely chap, Is he advocating what might genuinely be described as "genocide"?

[Link]

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Seth On a pale blue dot 02 Aug 14 1.08pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 2.28am Quote Seth at 02 Aug 2014 2.20am "When Genocide is Permissible" from the Times of Israel. The piece has been taken down, but it states clearly what many feel is already happening: [Link] So do you believe that Israel are going to stay in Gaza and kill all the Palestinians there then Seth? Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 2.28am) I believe they are in the process of committing "slow genocide". They will gradually make things so bad in Gaza, and kill so many, that eventually all Gazans will be dead or driven into exile, and the land will be grabbed by Israel. Then they will turn their attention to the West Bank. The concept of a "Greater Israel", encompassing ALL the ancient land of Palestine, has been their aim since the state of Israel was created. And it's happening, right now, in front of our eyes, with US backing and the rest of the world looking on an shrugging their shoulders. "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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On a pale blue dot 02 Aug 14 1.08pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Aug 2014 2.28am

Quote Seth at 02 Aug 2014 2.20am

"When Genocide is Permissible" from the Times of Israel. The piece has been taken down, but it states clearly what many feel is already happening: [Link]

So do you believe that Israel are going to stay in Gaza and kill all the Palestinians there then Seth?

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2014 2.28am)

I believe they are in the process of committing "slow genocide". They will gradually make things so bad in Gaza, and kill so many, that eventually all Gazans will be dead or driven into exile, and the land will be grabbed by Israel. Then they will turn their attention to the West Bank.

The concept of a "Greater Israel", encompassing ALL the ancient land of Palestine, has been their aim since the state of Israel was created. And it's happening, right now, in front of our eyes, with US backing and the rest of the world looking on an shrugging their shoulders.

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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Seth On a pale blue dot 02 Aug 14 1.17pm
And, as if by magic, this appears on my twitter timeline: from the Jerusalem Post: The only durable solution requires dismantling Gaza, humanitarian relocation of the non-belligerent Arab population, and extension of Israeli sovereignty over the region. [Link] "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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Seth

On a pale blue dot 02 Aug 14 1.17pm

And, as if by magic, this appears on my twitter timeline: from the Jerusalem Post:

The only durable solution requires dismantling Gaza, humanitarian relocation of the non-belligerent Arab population, and extension of Israeli sovereignty over the region.

[Link]

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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