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 mezzer  Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 28 Nov 23 4.16pm |
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I had a mate whose Dad was a senior copper in Croydon in the 70s. He took a call one day from someone with a heavy Irish accent. "Listen carefully....this is a bomb hoax. Oh b******s." Phone gets slammed down.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 7.53pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The idea that you 'destroy' Hamas is just childish - this course of action is far more likely to be a recruitment drive for a whole new generation than anything else. The idea that Isreael, being by far the dominant military power in the region, can't defend it's borders from a poorly equipped terrorist organisation in any other way than through indiscriminate killing of civilians, is also childish. Exactly right. This is short sighted and ultimately the worst strategy imaginable. Netanyahu is playing short term politics with the ultimate peace and security of his citizens.
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 georgenorman 28 Nov 23 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The idea that you 'destroy' Hamas is just childish - this course of action is far more likely to be a recruitment drive for a whole new generation than anything else. The idea that Isreael, being by far the dominant military power in the region, can't defend it's borders from a poorly equipped terrorist organisation in any other way than through indiscriminate killing of civilians, is also childish. Whether you fight them or not the plague of militant Islam will continue. The support of useful idiots aids their recruitment. Hamas are not poorly equipped, they are rich and supplied by the likes of Iran. It is Hamas that deliberately and indiscriminately kills civilians.
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| BrentisBack Beckenham 28 Nov 23 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Whether you fight them or not the plague of militant Islam will continue. The support of useful idiots aids their recruitment. Hamas are not poorly equipped, they are rich and supplied by the likes of Iran. It is Hamas that deliberately and indiscriminately kills civilians. Correct. It’s why continual fighting them is a bit of a stupid idea. Maintaining peace is obviously the best way to go about things. Israel need a new leader who doesn’t continually stir the pot and instead tries to simmer things down in the region.
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| georgenorman 28 Nov 23 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
Correct. It’s why continual fighting them is a bit of a stupid idea. Maintaining peace is obviously the best way to go about things. Israel need a new leader who doesn’t continually stir the pot and instead tries to simmer things down in the region. Really? So you just let them fire rockets at you on a daily basis and just let them pop over the border every now and again to kill some babies, rape some women, kill, burn and take hostages?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Nov 23 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Exactly right. This is short sighted and ultimately the worst strategy imaginable. Netanyahu is playing short term politics with the ultimate peace and security of his citizens. Do agree, without Netanyahu and his brutal genocide of innocent Palestinian women and children, supported by the United States with weak western leaders looking on, Israel would be in a morally superior and more secure position in the long term. Palestine is the victim of Israel here, and has been for over 50 years, Israel are the illegal occupiers. People have seen too much that will stay with them too long. Trust in the ‘international community’ will never be the same. The idea that probably most of us have, that the we are on the side of right in the west, is lost in my view, the war in Gaza has been an intense lesson in western hypocrisy. It won’t be forgotten.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Nov 23 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
Correct. It’s why continual fighting them is a bit of a stupid idea. Maintaining peace is obviously the best way to go about things. Israel need a new leader who doesn’t continually stir the pot and instead tries to simmer things down in the region. Neville Chamberlain 1938.
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Teddy Eagle  28 Nov 23 10.30pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Do agree, without Netanyahu and his brutal genocide of innocent Palestinian women and children, supported by the United States with weak western leaders looking on, Israel would be in a morally superior and more secure position in the long term. Palestine is the victim of Israel here, and has been for over 50 years, Israel are the illegal occupiers. People have seen too much that will stay with them too long. Trust in the ‘international community’ will never be the same. The idea that probably most of us have, that the we are on the side of right in the west, is lost in my view, the war in Gaza has been an intense lesson in western hypocrisy. It won’t be forgotten. In the same way Israel hasn't forgotten what happened to their people in the 1940s. Strange that those who get into a panic about what they regard as right wing aren't more sympathetic to others with rather more first hand experience.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 11.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Neville Chamberlain 1938. Don’t be silly. No one is suggesting the appeasement of a powerful enemy. They are suggesting that an overreaction creates more harm than good. Stoking hatred in future generations rather than demonstrating care and compassion for the innocent is counterproductive. Containment and effective defence combined with efforts to isolate the terrorists would slowly build confidence. Trying to kick people out of land they regard as theirs and allow aggressive settlement to take it over is the tactic of a bully. Bullies almost always come a cropper in the end.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 11.39pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
In the same way Israel hasn't forgotten what happened to their people in the 1940s. Strange that those who get into a panic about what they regard as right wing aren't more sympathetic to others with rather more first hand experience. You can have total understanding of why the Israelis feel so passionate about the state of Israel, given what happened to them, and also feel that their approach on this is not sensible. Not all Israelis are right wing. Far from it. Many are secular and liberal. It’s just that the right, under Netanyahu and supported by hardline religious fundamentalists, hold power. That could easily have been on the point of change just before this all started. There were big protests about his attempt to control the Supreme Court. It could easily change again once the hostages are all back. Right now that seems to be the people’s priority, for understandable reasons.
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cryrst  The garden of England 29 Nov 23 4.27am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Do agree, without Netanyahu and his brutal genocide of innocent Palestinian women and children, supported by the United States with weak western leaders looking on, Israel would be in a morally superior and more secure position in the long term. Palestine is the victim of Israel here, and has been for over 50 years, Israel are the illegal occupiers. People have seen too much that will stay with them too long. Trust in the ‘international community’ will never be the same. The idea that probably most of us have, that the we are on the side of right in the west, is lost in my view, the war in Gaza has been an intense lesson in western hypocrisy. It won’t be forgotten. I have forgotten it already, what ya rambling about .
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 23 8.48am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Don’t be silly. No one is suggesting the appeasement of a powerful enemy. They are suggesting that an overreaction creates more harm than good. Stoking hatred in future generations rather than demonstrating care and compassion for the innocent is counterproductive. Containment and effective defence combined with efforts to isolate the terrorists would slowly build confidence. Trying to kick people out of land they regard as theirs and allow aggressive settlement to take it over is the tactic of a bully. Bullies almost always come a cropper in the end. Who are you to decide what is an overreaction? You want Israel to stop their aggression, but you know full well that Hamas will rebuild and attack Israel as soon as they can. Frankly, my priority is what is best for Britain and what is best for those important to me.
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