I think what is particularly galling is the money, both in how much we've had since we've been in the PL and how how much these players actually earn. It raises expectation and some of these players just ain't good enough.

Nine times out of ten this season at home we've looked like the away team, which to be honest really gets on my tits, its not what I pay £1200 per season for.

Unforced errors by not being able to pass the ball is outrageous for the money these guys are paid. I feel sorry for supporters that have to travel miles to get to Selhurst to watch the quality of football we've seen at home most of this season.

Everton was the game for Roy to play Wilf and Andros on the wings and tekkers and either Sako/Bats as two strikers, and just have a freaking go from the off and give the crowd something to shout about. I wouldn't have given a monkey's if we'd lost but had a right go but we wimped out again which really pisses me off.

If Sakho, AWB and Wilf want to go then maybe they should, only problem is I don't think we have a very good scouting system and some of our recent transfer dealings have been abysmal...tough times ahead I fear.

What these sort of comments overlook is that every other team in the PL also gets shed loads of money, in many cases more than Palace. They also have eleven highly paid players on the pitch, in many cases on salaries that are considerably higher than our players are on. Errors may seem 'unforced' but actually our players on Saturday were often being hounded by one, two or even three Everton players and tried to pick a pass to a team mate who was immediately similarly hounded. Sometimes I think you just have to admit that their players were better than ours.

Personally I think we'd have been wiped out if we'd played the way you suggest and for my part I doubt that 'giving it a go' compensates for losing by a heavy margin.

Just my opinion.

Their players were better or their tactics were better? Hounding players has got nothing to do with ability, it’s down to fitness and instruction. We don’t hound players because Roy believes in sitting off the opposition and staying ‘in shape’ . Everton are trying to play the modern way as per Liverpool, Spurs and Citeh.

If you’re suggesting Wilf and Andros wide in a 442 with two centre forwards poor at linking the play up that’s hardly having a go.

If 424 then I think Everton would have torn us apart and everyone would be branding Roy an idiot.

Townsend has been poor for a while and he was rightly rested against Arsenal

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (30 Apr 2019 7.40am)

I remember it well - but at least we tried to win games then, even if we didn't succeed!

Clearly we do have first team squad/players who are poor quality and would probably struggle in the championship. However we have to be pragmatic as we need PL revenue therefore Roy's tactics are limited by the talent he has to work with, most of the cards he has had dealt are not of his own choosing. Grinding out results is not very attractive but a necessary evil if we are to maintain our PL status. Player wages are agreed by SP who has been largely if not completely responsible for the current first team squad. If we played Pardew type football with the players we have we would soon be back in the championship and I for one would not be happy with that!