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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 16 8.14am
Originally posted by big_palace_fan I cant wait until remain win And be part of an unaccountable, unelected and undemocratic institution that is unfit for purpose with a delusion that 28 nation states can be united under a single flag.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 16 8.14am

Originally posted by big_palace_fan

I cant wait until remain win

And be part of an unaccountable, unelected and undemocratic institution that is unfit for purpose with a delusion that 28 nation states can be united under a single flag.

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 May 16 8.19am
Originally posted by Willo And be part of an unaccountable, unelected and undemocratic institution that is unfit for purpose with a delusion that 28 nation states can be united under a single flag. It was your lot that signed us up to the whole shebang and now you want 'Out' even though you knew full well what you were getting into. Thanks again Tories. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 25 May 16 8.19am

Originally posted by Willo

And be part of an unaccountable, unelected and undemocratic institution that is unfit for purpose with a delusion that 28 nation states can be united under a single flag.

It was your lot that signed us up to the whole shebang and now you want 'Out' even though you knew full well what you were getting into. Thanks again Tories.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 16 8.27am
Originally posted by Kermit8 It was your lot that signed us up to the whole shebang and now you want 'Out' even though you knew full well what you were getting into. Thanks again Tories. You're not referring back to the 70s with Ted Heath and the EEC which is different from the current EU ? And the EU started off with 9 members, now it has 28 and of course the Euro. Yes I want "Out" but official Government policy is "IN" as is the policy of Labour.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 16 8.27am

Originally posted by Kermit8

It was your lot that signed us up to the whole shebang and now you want 'Out' even though you knew full well what you were getting into. Thanks again Tories.

You're not referring back to the 70s with Ted Heath and the EEC which is different from the current EU ?

And the EU started off with 9 members, now it has 28 and of course the Euro.

Yes I want "Out" but official Government policy is "IN" as is the policy of Labour.

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JohnyBoy 25 May 16 8.56am
Originally posted by becky Just a couple of notes for historical accuracy: To be accurate Becky, i think you will find that Britain was invited to join in 1959 but the then Atlee government decided not to, so the original 6 members (w.germany, france, netherlands, italy, belgium and luxembourg) decided to go it alone. At the time, distrust and bitterness towards Germany was cited and an isolationist trade policy was preferred. You are correct that DeGaulle (of all people) then vetoed Britains application to join in the 60s until George Pompidou removed the French veto allowing Britain to join in the early 70s. Wrt reparations, under the Potsdam agreement Germany was required to pay reparations and did so to Greece, Poland and a few others but as part of the Marshall plan Britain dropped its claim for reparations. By 1976 it was however w.Germany and the US who funded Britains loan as part of the imf bailout.
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JohnyBoy

25 May 16 8.56am

Originally posted by becky

Just a couple of notes for historical accuracy:

To be accurate Becky, i think you will find that Britain was invited to join in 1959 but the then Atlee government decided not to, so the original 6 members (w.germany, france, netherlands, italy, belgium and luxembourg) decided to go it alone. At the time, distrust and bitterness towards Germany was cited and an isolationist trade policy was preferred. You are correct that DeGaulle (of all people) then vetoed Britains application to join in the 60s until George Pompidou removed the French veto allowing Britain to join in the early 70s.
Wrt reparations, under the Potsdam agreement Germany was required to pay reparations and did so to Greece, Poland and a few others but as part of the Marshall plan Britain dropped its claim for reparations. By 1976 it was however w.Germany and the US who funded Britains loan as part of the imf bailout.

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johnfirewall 25 May 16 9.38am
Originally posted by Kermit8 It was your lot that signed us up to the whole shebang and now you want 'Out' even though you knew full well what you were getting into. Thanks again Tories. They signed up to a trade agreement. I've literally no idea how it became what it is now.
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25 May 16 9.38am

Originally posted by Kermit8

It was your lot that signed us up to the whole shebang and now you want 'Out' even though you knew full well what you were getting into. Thanks again Tories.

They signed up to a trade agreement.

I've literally no idea how it became what it is now.

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 May 16 10.07am
Originally posted by johnfirewall They signed up to a trade agreement. I've literally no idea how it became what it is now. The Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty on European Union or TEU) undertaken to integrate Europe was signed on 7 February 1992 under a Tory Government. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 25 May 16 10.07am

Originally posted by johnfirewall

They signed up to a trade agreement.

I've literally no idea how it became what it is now.

The Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty on European Union or TEU) undertaken to integrate Europe was signed on 7 February 1992 under a Tory Government.

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 May 16 10.11am
Originally posted by Willo You're not referring back to the 70s with Ted Heath and the EEC which is different from the current EU ? And the EU started off with 9 members, now it has 28 and of course the Euro. Yes I want "Out" but official Government policy is "IN" as is the policy of Labour. I am more referring to The Maastricht Treaty to integrate Europe which was signed on 7 February 1992 by the British Government. Wasn't that the same year there was a General Election? Who did you vote for again ? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 25 May 16 10.11am

Originally posted by Willo

You're not referring back to the 70s with Ted Heath and the EEC which is different from the current EU ?

And the EU started off with 9 members, now it has 28 and of course the Euro.

Yes I want "Out" but official Government policy is "IN" as is the policy of Labour.

I am more referring to The Maastricht Treaty to integrate Europe which was signed on 7 February 1992 by the British Government. Wasn't that the same year there was a General Election? Who did you vote for again ?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 16 10.12am
Originally posted by Kermit8 The Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty on European Union or TEU) undertaken to integrate Europe was signed on 7 February 1992 under a Tory Government. My beloved 'Margaret Thatcher' was not best pleased, indeed we had all those Tory "Maastricht Rebels" and all the problems encountered by John Major.This is history we have to deal with the present.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 16 10.12am

Originally posted by Kermit8

The Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty on European Union or TEU) undertaken to integrate Europe was signed on 7 February 1992 under a Tory Government.

My beloved 'Margaret Thatcher' was not best pleased, indeed we had all those Tory "Maastricht Rebels" and all the problems encountered by John Major.This is history we have to deal with the present.

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johnfirewall 25 May 16 10.54am
History doesn't count in Brown's desecration of the treasury so you can drop this one out.
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johnfirewall

25 May 16 10.54am

History doesn't count in Brown's desecration of the treasury so you can drop this one out.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 16 11.00am
Originally posted by johnfirewall History doesn't count in Brown's desecration of the treasury so you can drop this one out. My point was that we can hark back to the EEC and 'Maastricht' etc but we have to consider the current EU with all it's failings.The debate is about the present not the past.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 16 11.00am

Originally posted by johnfirewall

History doesn't count in Brown's desecration of the treasury so you can drop this one out.

My point was that we can hark back to the EEC and 'Maastricht' etc but we have to consider the current EU with all it's failings.The debate is about the present not the past.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 May 16 11.09am
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood You should all watch this week's question time, Paul Mason economist launched a furious attack on the “crazed right-wing Conservatives" guess who came out on top? [Link] You haven't mentioned Paul Mason wants out of the EU, it has serious issues and catastrophe is around the corner. What he said was he DID WANT A UK EU EXIT but didn't want a UK exit led by the likes of further right of centre Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. They turn his skin, but not in those words, and he MIGHT vote IN just because of this. I can't rememeber what he said about BJ and MG but employees' rights was probably one. I'll watch it again later but he deinitely wanted out but MIGHT vote in because of the tories. Dimbleby was amazed by this. I think he may have said he'd wait for another referendum under different govt (long wait there then) or the break up of the EU, which he did say was inevitable. So a respected economist does want out. He did say however that it had nothing to do with immigration and he was happy with it continuing as it is. You might do if you experience the positives only or you're stubborn enough. Edited by Rudi Hedman (25 May 2016 11.16am) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 25 May 16 11.09am

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

You should all watch this week's question time, Paul Mason economist launched a furious attack on the “crazed right-wing Conservatives" guess who came out on top?
[Link]

You haven't mentioned Paul Mason wants out of the EU, it has serious issues and catastrophe is around the corner. What he said was he DID WANT A UK EU EXIT but didn't want a UK exit led by the likes of further right of centre Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. They turn his skin, but not in those words, and he MIGHT vote IN just because of this. I can't rememeber what he said about BJ and MG but employees' rights was probably one. I'll watch it again later but he deinitely wanted out but MIGHT vote in because of the tories. Dimbleby was amazed by this.

I think he may have said he'd wait for another referendum under different govt (long wait there then) or the break up of the EU, which he did say was inevitable.

So a respected economist does want out. He did say however that it had nothing to do with immigration and he was happy with it continuing as it is. You might do if you experience the positives only or you're stubborn enough.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (25 May 2016 11.16am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 May 16 11.14am
Maybe you should watch Martin Lewis on The Agenda a few weeks back on ITV. He played down all the hysteria and said on a personal level you should look how much averse you are to risk. Very averse = in. Used to risk = out. A lot of the scaremongering is nonsense and the economy will adapt with some shocks along the way. I'm tired of waking up to more BS from completely negative assumptions applied to formulae designed to display the worst possible scenario such as the housing market due to fall by 18% when it's calculated to fall anyway and losses of jobs that don't just depend on the EU and won't be affected for 2 years and if immigration is limited, then that's less labour for the less jobs. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 25 May 16 11.14am

Maybe you should watch Martin Lewis on The Agenda a few weeks back on ITV. He played down all the hysteria and said on a personal level you should look how much averse you are to risk. Very averse = in. Used to risk = out. A lot of the scaremongering is nonsense and the economy will adapt with some shocks along the way.

I'm tired of waking up to more BS from completely negative assumptions applied to formulae designed to display the worst possible scenario such as the housing market due to fall by 18% when it's calculated to fall anyway and losses of jobs that don't just depend on the EU and won't be affected for 2 years and if immigration is limited, then that's less labour for the less jobs.

COYP

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