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sickboy Deal or Croydon 08 Aug 21 7.16pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I read that in the USA more people have died of C19 in the last 18 months than have of flu in the last five years. basic maths alone means it is 3 times as deadly. Over 99 percent survival rate.
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cryrst The garden of England 08 Aug 21 8.37pm | |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Over 99 percent survival rate. Very rude!
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sickboy Deal or Croydon 08 Aug 21 9.13pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Very rude!
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cryrst The garden of England 08 Aug 21 9.56pm | |
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Originally posted by sickboy
The survival rate is higher but deaths are also very much higher. Numbers of dead are a bit more important than survival rates. Stats don't bring people back from the dead. If someone offered you flu or covid which would choose you be infected with and why?
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robdave2k 08 Aug 21 11.13pm | |
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The problem is you just don’t know who it’s going to affect. My parents caught it at the same time. My dad died of it, my mum was ill for half a day. I had it and still have bad days now. What screwed with me wasn’t his death, it was the girl in the room next to him. 25 and being taken to be put on a ventilator. That isn’t an image you need. Talking to the doctors - they said a man of my age (40) would take 6 months to recover if I’d been on oxygen in a ward. The problem is no one knew who it would affect, we still don’t. It’s like a lottery. No point in being angry about it, it’s a unique circumstance in a changing world. Hindsight is always 20:20.
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BlueJay UK 09 Aug 21 12.03am | |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
The problem is you just don’t know who it’s going to affect. My parents caught it at the same time. My dad died of it, my mum was ill for half a day. I had it and still have bad days now. What screwed with me wasn’t his death, it was the girl in the room next to him. 25 and being taken to be put on a ventilator. That isn’t an image you need. Talking to the doctors - they said a man of my age (40) would take 6 months to recover if I’d been on oxygen in a ward. The problem is no one knew who it would affect, we still don’t. It’s like a lottery. No point in being angry about it, it’s a unique circumstance in a changing world. Hindsight is always 20:20. So sorry to hear about the impact on your family. No doubt such nightmarish scenarios have panned out across the country. We would all do well to remember that. I hope you're all bearing up okay.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 09 Aug 21 12.25am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Even when I'm talking in the most boring and benign fashion you lunge in out of nowhere thinking you're achieving something (clue: You aren't). I've already repeatedly expressed that I've had covid and as such don't even have the slightest concern about being sociable or of the virus personally. If you're so crazed that you'd like me to post actual proof and texts that I've had covid I'm more than willing to do so. In all likelihood, I have six months in the clear. I quite frankly do not give two sh!ts from a personal health perspective. I've also repeatedly explained that my concerns lie entirely with family members who have very real health issues. So thrilled are you with your juvenile 'youre scared' teddy bear themed interjections though that no mention of such matters or concerns means a jot. Well done you. While you're clearly happy to give the middle finger to my concerns for my family I am willing to display a bit more decency towards yours. All of your relentless guff 'this time around' came from faux outrage when I said I'll likely have the booster jab (as will millions of others). The booster will clearly be more fragmented in terms of take up, so personally I don't think it will be a 'requirement' in terms of work and so on. Just my opinion and a separate consideration to whether or not it's worth having. Again, all this from someone so embarrassed by how at odds their own views were with their vaccination status, that the truth of it had to be extracted from them over a period of days. Edited by BlueJay (08 Aug 2021 6.58pm) Still obfuscating! The issue I'm addressing is whether a booster will be mandatory or not. Almost everything you have typed is assumption. And completely off topic. This is how you respond to anyone you disagree with. You accuse me that I "lunge in out of nowhere", and am "so crazed", and I'm "clearly happy to give the middle finger to [your] concerns for [your] family", and have "faux outrage", all without any idea about me. In a court of law that might amount to libel. You really have no idea who I am. You just disagree with my stance on the virus. The bold bit is what I was talking about. The more people who have it, the more likely it will become mandatory. You will have it, so you make it more likely to become mandatory. Just like being double jabbed is becoming mandatory. Cryrst asked what a medical passport was in an earlier post, and this is another step towards everyone needing to carry their medical records to access normal life as we know it. The bit in red, well, I don't really think that it is relevant. Whether I tell you I had a jab or not is clearly none of your business. That you feel so elated to have worked out that I probably did have it shows your naivety. What I let somebody know about me is up to me, and thinking that I will have it extracted from me is really rather stupid.
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Stirlingsays 09 Aug 21 12.57am | |
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Hundreds of people die every day in this country. The most common link between them is obesity and old age. Few people die of just one thing.....which has been one of the disinformation messages pushed during this time. One of the things that makes me angry about this is that few people seemed to think we should spend what amounts to more than the WW2 military budget on fighting obesity or cancer or heart conditions......Yet anyone of these is more responsible for many more deaths than coronaviruses. Apparently the actual number of people dying is meant to matter. What complete and utter rubbish.
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BlueJay UK 09 Aug 21 1.12am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Whether I tell you I had a jab or not is clearly none of your business. Whether people get a booster or not is 'none of your business' either but it doesn't stop you prattling on for days on end as result of saying I will, or making multiple ridiculous posts about how scared I am of catching covid (even though I've already had it). You waded in with this stupidity, not me. People will make decisions for themselves and their families that are right by them, and you can do the same. The next time you gloss past far more heartfelt posts just because you're still too busy trying to stick it to people, pause and think. Saying how 'unsafe' the vaccine will be 'for years' then having it anyway is relevant, because it shows that you don't know whether you're coming or going to begin with and makes any comments regarding other peoples' vaccination choices now laughable. You actually at the time said that not sharing your view and instead wanting to move forward was the same reasoning that 'unleashed Thalidomide' (and claimed that I was 'okay' with that - so a fine one to talk of others words to you). Then you had the vaccine anyway. It seems likely that much like before, you'll be attacking people for their choices, before making that exact same choice yourself. Though of course that will be 'none of our business'. Bore someone else.
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becky over the moon 09 Aug 21 8.51am | |
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Thank you
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robdave2k 09 Aug 21 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
So sorry to hear about the impact on your family. No doubt such nightmarish scenarios have panned out across the country. We would all do well to remember that. I hope you're all bearing up okay.
That said I don’t think anyone can hold anyone fully responsible. Whatever you do there will be another group of people claiming with absolute certainty that their thoughts and wants are the right ones. This is too nuanced to be absolute right and absolute wrong. Do I think Boris is a prick in some respects - yes. Do I think Hancock is a philandering b****** - absolutely. But not all they have done is bad My main issue that this has highlighted is that certain parts of society are reaping what they sew. You want absolute personal freedom, then don’t be surprised when things develop out of control. You have people who are staunch anti-vaccine and people who are staunch any kind of release of the rules. Put the two together and how the hell are you supposed to get it across. The doctors, teachers etc have done fantastic jobs - but arguing for extended lockdown when on full pay shows a lack of understanding of the private sector. They have safe jobs. The private sector demanding accelerated opening up shows a disregard the other way. There was a minister on the other day who said relaxing with masks wasn’t an issue. Those who wanted to would keep wearing, those who weren’t following guidelines were already doing so. A frankly true comment - but it was shot down. Common sense in this whole thing is something 80% of people have. It’s the 10% on each extreme that cause the issues and won’t listen to any argument but their own. No one could have foreseen this and the sad fact is an individual person is smart but people are stupid.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Aug 21 9.28am | |
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rob, if people want to wear masks now, they should wear a proper one and stop deluding themselves in one for theatre/virtue signalling.
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