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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 18 5.50pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I'm just saying I don't think Brexit is a silver bullet for these people's concerns, whether they are reasonable or not. It's clear that it's being mishandled and it's clear that the referendum process was deeply flawed. All it seems to be good for is getting Tory back benchers foaming at the mouth and proving the downfall for a succession of Tory Leaders. It might have been different with proper planning and competent management and care taken to ensure a parliamentary majority for stated government policy. What was the last major change in people's lives that you think a British government handled well? Labour's stance on this has had all the fortitude of a bed wetter. They sound more like the EU negotiating team than the British one. Sure I also have issues with the weakness that seems apparent in May......However the commentary of Labour supporting remainers on these negotiations is subject to.....lets say objectivity issues. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 5.58pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Feb 18 5.50pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'm just saying I don't think Brexit is a silver bullet for these people's concerns, whether they are reasonable or not. It's clear that it's being mishandled and it's clear that the referendum process was deeply flawed. All it seems to be good for is getting Tory back benchers foaming at the mouth and proving the downfall for a succession of Tory Leaders.

It might have been different with proper planning and competent management and care taken to ensure a parliamentary majority for stated government policy.

What was the last major change in people's lives that you think a British government handled well?

Labour's stance on this has had all the fortitude of a bed wetter. They sound more like the EU negotiating team than the British one. Sure I also have issues with the weakness that seems apparent in May......However the commentary of Labour supporting remainers on these negotiations is subject to.....lets say objectivity issues.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 5.58pm)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Feb 18 5.55pm
Originally posted by matt_himself You didn’t state the whole findings of the poll: [Link] May’s views on Brexit were more highly supported than Corbyn’s. The politican most respected for their Brexit views was Boris. Oh, and Labour are a point behind the Tories in the polls. Not content with labelling people ‘racist’, a seemingly natural reaction of the left, you are also manipulating data. Edited by matt_himself (06 Feb 2018 5.44pm) I didn't manipulate anything. I just stated the fact that most people think it's going badly. Polls of voting intention should be taken with a pinch of salt especially when so close, however the Brexit opinion poll is quite clear. It's not really relevant who people tend to agree with (they were all negative so more disagreed with all of them than agreed). The main findings are that people think it's going really badly and don't like what they hear from any of the leading Brexit figures. It's clear that it's a mess and you seem to be in the 16% of people that can't see that.
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Originally posted by matt_himself

You didn’t state the whole findings of the poll:

[Link]

May’s views on Brexit were more highly supported than Corbyn’s.

The politican most respected for their Brexit views was Boris.

Oh, and Labour are a point behind the Tories in the polls.

Not content with labelling people ‘racist’, a seemingly natural reaction of the left, you are also manipulating data.

Edited by matt_himself (06 Feb 2018 5.44pm)

I didn't manipulate anything. I just stated the fact that most people think it's going badly.

Polls of voting intention should be taken with a pinch of salt especially when so close, however the Brexit opinion poll is quite clear.

It's not really relevant who people tend to agree with (they were all negative so more disagreed with all of them than agreed).

The main findings are that people think it's going really badly and don't like what they hear from any of the leading Brexit figures.

It's clear that it's a mess and you seem to be in the 16% of people that can't see that.

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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 18 5.59pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle It's clear that it's a mess and you seem to be in the 16% of people that can't see that. The press say little else with their reporting......it's in the interests of the press to complain....saying things are fine is no story. Eventually people just go along with it. All that matters is that we leave the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 6.00pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Feb 18 5.59pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

It's clear that it's a mess and you seem to be in the 16% of people that can't see that.

The press say little else with their reporting......it's in the interests of the press to complain....saying things are fine is no story. Eventually people just go along with it.

All that matters is that we leave the EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 6.00pm)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Feb 18 6.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Intolerance is rarely about nationality or 'race'. It is about perceived or real issues surrounding clash of cultures and the effect of migrants on the country. Everyone is intolerant of things that will have or they believe will have a negative impact on their life. You are intolerant of this government for example despite historical evidence that the alternatives will do no better or worse. Having political opinions about a poor government is not the same as intolerance/discrimination based on race/religion/gender/sexual orientation. Believing that increased freedoms for these things are forces for ill is strongly associated with leave voters...
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Sydenham 06 Feb 18 6.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Intolerance is rarely about nationality or 'race'. It is about perceived or real issues surrounding clash of cultures and the effect of migrants on the country.
Everyone is intolerant of things that will have or they believe will have a negative impact on their life.

You are intolerant of this government for example despite historical evidence that the alternatives will do no better or worse.

Having political opinions about a poor government is not the same as intolerance/discrimination based on race/religion/gender/sexual orientation. Believing that increased freedoms for these things are forces for ill is strongly associated with leave voters...

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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Feb 18 6.00pm
'Brussels will have the power to punish the UK at will during the Brexit transition period by closing off parts of the single market to British companies, according to a leaked legal document drawn up by the EU.' The 27 remaining member states want to be able to act against the UK without having to go through the potentially lengthy process of bringing cases to the European court of Justice, should Brussels come to the judgment that Britain has infringed EU law.
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'Brussels will have the power to punish the UK at will during the Brexit transition period by closing off parts of the single market to British companies, according to a leaked legal document drawn up by the EU.'

The 27 remaining member states want to be able to act against the UK without having to go through the potentially lengthy process of bringing cases to the European court of Justice, should Brussels come to the judgment that Britain has infringed EU law.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Feb 18 6.03pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The press say little else with their reporting......it's in the interests of the press to complain....saying things are fine is no story. Eventually people just go along with it. All that matters is that we leave the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 6.00pm) At least the government haven't taken that stance yet. There is some realisation that there is more that matters to people's lives than leaving the EU, albeit very little realisation of that fact. How we leave is clearly important though hence all these talks they're having. Though with councils going bust and the NHS in crisis it might seem that they've taken their eye of the ball on domestic issues I grant you.
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Sydenham 06 Feb 18 6.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The press say little else with their reporting......it's in the interests of the press to complain....saying things are fine is no story. Eventually people just go along with it.

All that matters is that we leave the EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 6.00pm)

At least the government haven't taken that stance yet. There is some realisation that there is more that matters to people's lives than leaving the EU, albeit very little realisation of that fact. How we leave is clearly important though hence all these talks they're having.

Though with councils going bust and the NHS in crisis it might seem that they've taken their eye of the ball on domestic issues I grant you.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Feb 18 6.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What was the last major change in people's lives that you think a British government handled well? Labour's stance on this has had all the fortitude of a bed wetter. They sound more like the EU negotiating team than the British one. Sure I also have issues with the weakness that seems apparent in May......However the commentary of Labour supporting remainers on these negotiations is subject to.....lets say objectivity issues. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 5.58pm) A succession of ballsups is hardly a good justification for turning a blind eye to such monumental incompetence. Labour's stance is clear. Jobs first Brexit. This is the biggest major change since WWII so has little comparison.
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Sydenham 06 Feb 18 6.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What was the last major change in people's lives that you think a British government handled well?

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 5.58pm)

A succession of ballsups is hardly a good justification for turning a blind eye to such monumental incompetence.

Labour's stance is clear. Jobs first Brexit.

This is the biggest major change since WWII so has little comparison.

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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 18 6.16pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle A succession of ballsups is hardly a good justification for turning a blind eye to such monumental incompetence. Labour's stance is clear. Jobs first Brexit. This is the biggest major change since WWII so has little comparison. 'Jobs first Brexit'....what a load of rot....meaningless waffle. Brexit will cause economic issues for around five to ten years. Anyone with an atom of sense knows that....so 'jobs first Brexit' is expedient nonsense. In Brexit People voted for immigration to be reduced. The EU wouldn't allow it so here we are. Nothing you say gives the Brexiters want we want. All you can do is complain about economic fears.....yet the majority voted leave because we don't like the EU....it kind of supersedes everything else. Just by your weak response to my question we can see that if you had anything to do with these things that you'd be getting a ton of sh1t as well. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 6.49pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Feb 18 6.16pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

A succession of ballsups is hardly a good justification for turning a blind eye to such monumental incompetence.

Labour's stance is clear. Jobs first Brexit.

This is the biggest major change since WWII so has little comparison.

'Jobs first Brexit'....what a load of rot....meaningless waffle.

Brexit will cause economic issues for around five to ten years. Anyone with an atom of sense knows that....so 'jobs first Brexit' is expedient nonsense.

In Brexit People voted for immigration to be reduced. The EU wouldn't allow it so here we are. Nothing you say gives the Brexiters want we want. All you can do is complain about economic fears.....yet the majority voted leave because we don't like the EU....it kind of supersedes everything else.

Just by your weak response to my question we can see that if you had anything to do with these things that you'd be getting a ton of sh1t as well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2018 6.49pm)

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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 18 6.19pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle At least the government haven't taken that stance yet. There is some realisation that there is more that matters to people's lives than leaving the EU, albeit very little realisation of that fact. How we leave is clearly important though hence all these talks they're having. Though with councils going bust and the NHS in crisis it might seem that they've taken their eye of the ball on domestic issues I grant you. Well if you want capital in the country to pay the councils and the NHS....even at the levels that exist now....you better pray that Marxists like Corbyn get nowhere near the treasury. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Feb 18 6.19pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Though with councils going bust and the NHS in crisis it might seem that they've taken their eye of the ball on domestic issues I grant you.

Well if you want capital in the country to pay the councils and the NHS....even at the levels that exist now....you better pray that Marxists like Corbyn get nowhere near the treasury.

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.TUX. 06 Feb 18 7.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well if you want capital in the country to pay the councils and the NHS....even at the levels that exist now....you better pray that Marxists like Corbyn get nowhere near the treasury. Why? Buy Litecoin.
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06 Feb 18 7.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well if you want capital in the country to pay the councils and the NHS....even at the levels that exist now....you better pray that Marxists like Corbyn get nowhere near the treasury.

Why?

Buy Litecoin.

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Feb 18 8.03pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I didn't manipulate anything. I just stated the fact that most people think it's going badly. Polls of voting intention should be taken with a pinch of salt especially when so close, however the Brexit opinion poll is quite clear. It's not really relevant who people tend to agree with (they were all negative so more disagreed with all of them than agreed). The main findings are that people think it's going really badly and don't like what they hear from any of the leading Brexit figures. It's clear that it's a mess and you seem to be in the 16% of people that can't see that. Or maybe I am keeping an open mind on the outcome, rather than rushing to make hysterical judgements, driven by those with obvious political intentions? Your view is your view. Respect others whom have made the decision to judge the outcome when it happens, not to presume that it is a ‘disaster’ before the trade deal has been negotiated. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 06 Feb 18 8.03pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I didn't manipulate anything. I just stated the fact that most people think it's going badly.

Polls of voting intention should be taken with a pinch of salt especially when so close, however the Brexit opinion poll is quite clear.

It's not really relevant who people tend to agree with (they were all negative so more disagreed with all of them than agreed).

The main findings are that people think it's going really badly and don't like what they hear from any of the leading Brexit figures.

It's clear that it's a mess and you seem to be in the 16% of people that can't see that.

Or maybe I am keeping an open mind on the outcome, rather than rushing to make hysterical judgements, driven by those with obvious political intentions?

Your view is your view. Respect others whom have made the decision to judge the outcome when it happens, not to presume that it is a ‘disaster’ before the trade deal has been negotiated.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Feb 18 8.04pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle A succession of ballsups is hardly a good justification for turning a blind eye to such monumental incompetence. Labour's stance is clear. Jobs first Brexit. This is the biggest major change since WWII so has little comparison. For the second time, what does ‘jobs first Brexit’ mean in practical terms? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 06 Feb 18 8.04pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

A succession of ballsups is hardly a good justification for turning a blind eye to such monumental incompetence.

Labour's stance is clear. Jobs first Brexit.

This is the biggest major change since WWII so has little comparison.

For the second time, what does ‘jobs first Brexit’ mean in practical terms?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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