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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 01 Aug 14 8.29pm

Quote Oliver at 01 Aug 2014 8.24pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Aug 2014 5.56pm

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Quote matt_himself at 01 Aug 2014 4.57pm

So, have Hamas said today that they will dismantle the tunnel network in order to bring peace?
Or are they still using it to prop up their power?


They have. Just a few minutes after Netanyahu dismantled the West Bank Wall; ended the seven year blockade of Gaza; promised to rebuild the thousands of homes demolished and allow the people to manage their own water resources and air-space; apologised for killing all those children; took an oath to stop the Israeli version of Liebansraum continuing; passed an act ensuring that Palestinians and Israelis have the same rights; ordered all illegal settlers to leave the land they have stolen so the Palestinian families can return home and agreed to adhere to the 44 UN resolutions so far ignored since 1948.

Oh, and because he did all that Hamas are going to be defunct in just over 5 minutes. Their support has suddenly disintegrated.


Interesting response from one who implores, normally, debate and discussion between opposing parties yet in this instance seems quote content to allow a government to sit back and watch whilst it's population, quite a few of them strategically placed human shields, die, without any form of compromise being mooted or even vaguely considered.

Hamas have a lot of blood on their hands because of their selfish actions and Hamas are not good for the Palestinian people. BTW, this is not a defence of Israel. It is a criticism of the c***s at Hamas who appear to be content to watch their people die rather than compromise.


Cut the human shield bulls*** its just an excuse for collective punishment being carried by the Israeli government. Interestingly the Israelis where accused of using Palestinian children as human shields by the UN a year ago

That is the most interesting part of what Brand was saying, it doesn't matter the fact someone was using a child as a shield, a human being would not fire.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Aug 14 8.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 8.25pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.15pm

Nick once again uses the genocide word.

None of his lefty mates pull him up on it.....Instead it's attack Matt time.

Using 'genocide' is an abuse of the word and most definitely not what is happening.


If you look at the link in that post, you will see it is the title of an article from a jewish newspaper, that was later withdrawn by the paper. That is why the word genocide is used in that case.

Nick, you used the word genocide, which is clearly nonsense. Your obsession with validity via links makes little difference.

 


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SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 01 Aug 14 8.33pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Israel is now standing at the edge of a precipice of its own making.

They have repeatedly targeted, deliberately or through negligence, civilians, in enormous numbers, and taken measures which are entirely disproportionate to the threat against them.

They continue to misuse their position as a 'democracy' and a so-called island of stability in an unstable region. If they wish to retain any level of respectability in the eyes of the western world, they have to act in a far more restrained and proportionate way. Their lack of respect for human life now puts them arguably on the same level as the terrorists they claim to abhor.

Whether they are committing war crimes, and whether those crimes include genocide, we will see. But they are now in or close to that level of utterly unacceptable, indiscriminate, excessive aggression where that charge is no longer an unreasonable one to make and one they should have to be answerable for.

If they wish to retain international support (although their action indicate they don't really care), then they have to rise above the terrorism of Hamas, not stoop to their level.


 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Aug 14 8.35pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 8.25pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.15pm

Nick once again uses the genocide word.

None of his lefty mates pull him up on it.....Instead it's attack Matt time.

Using 'genocide' is an abuse of the word and most definitely not what is happening.


If you look at the link in that post, you will see it is the title of an article from a jewish newspaper, that was later withdrawn by the paper. That is why the word genocide is used in that case.

Nick, you used the word genocide, which is clearly nonsense. Your obsession with validity via links makes little difference.


Ok next time i link to an article, written in a Jewish newspaper with the headline, 'When genocide is permissible' what should I say the headline is? Little fluffy bunnies?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Aug 14 8.37pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote pefwin at 01 Aug 2014 8.22pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.15pm

Nick once again uses the genocide word.

None of his lefty mates pull him up on it.....Instead it's attack Matt time.

Using 'genocide' is an abuse of the word and most definitely not what is happening.

Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

I am not sure that it isn't genocide; it isn't war.


So you get your definitions for words from Wikipedia do you? That's interesting......It's important to note the intention with genocide.....It may fail but the intent with it is to wipe someone out.

Genocide is the attempted or realised deliberate extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

If Israel seriously wanted to wipe out the Palestinians then be under no illusions you wouldn't have twenty five percent of the population displaced.....Gaza would be a river of blood......And rockets wouldn't be fired from there because there would be no one left to fire them.

Israel is not attempting genocide and anyone saying it is an emotional reactionary.


 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Aug 14 8.43pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 8.35pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 8.25pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.15pm

Nick once again uses the genocide word.

None of his lefty mates pull him up on it.....Instead it's attack Matt time.

Using 'genocide' is an abuse of the word and most definitely not what is happening.


If you look at the link in that post, you will see it is the title of an article from a jewish newspaper, that was later withdrawn by the paper. That is why the word genocide is used in that case.

Nick, you used the word genocide, which is clearly nonsense. Your obsession with validity via links makes little difference.


Ok next time i link to an article, written in a Jewish newspaper with the headline, 'When genocide is permissible' what should I say the headline is? Little fluffy bunnies?


No, I'm wrong about this and I apologise......I hadn't checked the link.....Next time you could make it clearer that you are referring to the title's link rather than commenting upon it.....Which is what I took it for.

Apologies.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Aug 14 8.44pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.37pm

Quote pefwin at 01 Aug 2014 8.22pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.15pm

Nick once again uses the genocide word.

None of his lefty mates pull him up on it.....Instead it's attack Matt time.

Using 'genocide' is an abuse of the word and most definitely not what is happening.

Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

I am not sure that it isn't genocide; it isn't war.


So you get your definitions for words from Wikipedia do you? That's interesting......It's important to note the intention with genocide.....It may fail but the intent with it is to wipe someone out.

Genocide is the attempted or realised deliberate extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

If Israel seriously wanted to wipe out the Palestinians then be under no illusions you wouldn't have twenty five percent of the population displaced.....Gaza would be a river of blood......And rockets wouldn't be fired from there because there would be no one left to fire them.

Israel is not attempting genocide and anyone saying it is an emotional reactionary.



So by your own definition (emboldened) it is genocide. Israel want to wipe out Hamas.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Aug 14 8.45pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.43pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 8.35pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 8.25pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.15pm

Nick once again uses the genocide word.

None of his lefty mates pull him up on it.....Instead it's attack Matt time.

Using 'genocide' is an abuse of the word and most definitely not what is happening.


If you look at the link in that post, you will see it is the title of an article from a jewish newspaper, that was later withdrawn by the paper. That is why the word genocide is used in that case.

Nick, you used the word genocide, which is clearly nonsense. Your obsession with validity via links makes little difference.


Ok next time i link to an article, written in a Jewish newspaper with the headline, 'When genocide is permissible' what should I say the headline is? Little fluffy bunnies?


No, I'm wrong about this and I apologise......I hadn't checked the link.....Next time you could make it clearer that you are referring to the title's link rather than commenting upon it.....Which is what I took it for.

Apologies.

No problem. And you being a teacher n all.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 01 Aug 14 8.45pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.37pm

Quote pefwin at 01 Aug 2014 8.22pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 01 Aug 2014 8.15pm

Nick once again uses the genocide word.

None of his lefty mates pull him up on it.....Instead it's attack Matt time.

Using 'genocide' is an abuse of the word and most definitely not what is happening.

Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

I am not sure that it isn't genocide; it isn't war.


So you get your definitions for words from Wikipedia do you? That's interesting......It's important to note the intention with genocide.....It may fail but the intent with it is to wipe someone out.

Genocide is the attempted or realised deliberate extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

If Israel seriously wanted to wipe out the Palestinians then be under no illusions you wouldn't have twenty five percent of the population displaced.....Gaza would be a river of blood......And rockets wouldn't be fired from there because there would be no one left to fire them.

Israel is not attempting genocide and anyone saying it is an emotional reactionary.


Interesting you just restate in different words the wiki definition, something you obviously looked up yourself. Personally I feel wiki is a safe source for looking for a dictionary definition, rather than historical fact etc. However, I would suggest although often corrupted it would be a safer source than Jewish newspapaers.

I today's world, Jews aren't going to get away with rivers of blood or extermination camps. the use of artillery, bombs,slow starvation and the denial of basic medicine and sanitary services.

Genocide does not have to look like Dante's Inferno.


 


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"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Aug 14 8.47pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 8.45pm

No problem. And you being a teacher n all.

Things are very busy....I shouldn't be on here but....It's a form of relaxation.....Even though the subject matter is a horrible disaster.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 01 Aug 14 8.48pm

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Quote nickgusset at 01 Aug 2014 8.45pm

No problem. And you being a teacher n all.

Things are very busy....I shouldn't be on here but....It's a form of relaxation.....Even though the subject matter is a horrible disaster.

The offensive hasn't failed yet.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Aug 14 8.53pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote pefwin at 01 Aug 2014 8.45pm

Interesting you just restate in different words the wiki definition, something you obviously looked up yourself. Personally I feel wiki is a safe source for looking for a dictionary definition, rather than historical fact etc. However, I would suggest although often corrupted it would be a safer source than Jewish newspapaers.

I today's world, Jews aren't going to get away with rivers of blood or extermination camps. the use of artillery, bombs,slow starvation and the denial of basic medicine and sanitary services.

Genocide does not have to look like Dante's Inferno.

I shouldn't really be criticising Wiki.....It is in fact far better run than before and......It's a wonderful and free resource that....Most of the time is accurate enough.

But to be fair to me, I do know what the word 'geoicide' means as no doubt you do.....So definition games by us is a tad silly.

If Israel did want to exterminate Palestinians on a genocidal basis....I'm not sure who would be stopping the nuclear state.

Who do you think would stop them?

 


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